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  • lookimback
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    • Aug 2013
    • 1489
    • USA

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    LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

    I repaired the Y and Z sustain boards yesterday. Replaced some IGBTs, Diodes, ICs, and transistors. Got it working and the picture looks great, but at the top I can occasionally see scan lines. I was unable to get a picture of it. It seems like it happens when there's fast motion on the screen. What it looks like is someone split the image horizontally and didn't line it up right when putting it back together. Maybe it's just Netflix. I'll try to find another source.
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  • freakaftr8
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    • Oct 2012
    • 3743
    • USA

    #2
    Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

    See it on the bottom on my Netflix. Like the last inch sometimes. Hopefully that's all it is
    Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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    • lookimback
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      • Aug 2013
      • 1489
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      #3
      Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

      I see it on YouTube too. My girl has all my DVDs. I'm going to find an HD movie and burn one. I have basic cable and seems normal, but can't find a damn HD channel.
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      • lookimback
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        • Aug 2013
        • 1489
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        Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

        In bed watching Netflix on my Roku stick and I'm like, damn I can just plug the Roku into it. Picture seems perfect. I was using my tower at first and that has a lot going on (Tomcat server, mysql, up to 18 threads almost continuously sending or receiving over the network). No clue how good the graphics card is either. I think I'll let this go tomorrow.
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        • tom66
          EVs Rule
          • Apr 2011
          • 32560
          • UK

          #5
          Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

          You might be seeing dynamic false contouring. Pictures look like an oil painting, but only during movement.

          It is caused by the subfield drive, and some sets are worse, especially if they are displaying bright content because the subfields are very short when the screen is bright.

          There is no way to fix it because it's a fundamental consequence of the way a plasma panel is driven.
          Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
          For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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          • lookimback
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            • Aug 2013
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            #6
            Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

            Yes, I do occasionally see that
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            • tom66
              EVs Rule
              • Apr 2011
              • 32560
              • UK

              #7
              Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

              BTW, you can blame your brain for dynamic false contouring.

              If you try to film a plasma panel (correctly) using a camera, it will NOT pick up DFC. DFC is a result of how your eyes and brain process motion. When bright pulses of light appear (subfields), they are compensated for movement on the screen by the micro-saccades that your eyes do during movement. As a result, they appear to be frozen in time, when they should be moving. So you see contours on moving objects - the frozen subfields ...

              The only way to significantly reduce it is to use something similar to Pioneer's C.L.E.A.R. drive, which uses many more subfields (28 subfields versus 10) and each subfield is additively built up. So the panel only ever has MORE pixels set in each subfield. This significantly reduces the number of possible codes that a pixel can occupy.

              If you think about it, if you can only ever have more pixels lit in each field, then each pixel can only be: 1, or 1+2, or 1+2+3, or 1+2+...+N... so there are 28 total intensity levels. Only 28! Not enough to render 255 intensity levels (or 1023, or whatever). So the panel has to use a massive amount of dithering to compensate for this.

              This is compared to a traditional 10 subfield drive with non-sequential pixels, so there are at least 1024 possible levels, which are then expanded with a small amount of dithering.
              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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              • lookimback
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                • Aug 2013
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                #8
                Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

                Originally posted by tom66
                BTW, you can blame your brain for dynamic false contouring.
                Finally, I have proof that I have a brain!
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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

                  Originally posted by lookimback
                  Finally, I have proof that I have a brain!
                  Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
                  Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                  For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                  • lookimback
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                    • Aug 2013
                    • 1489
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                    #10
                    Re: LG 60PV250 scan lines on fast motion.

                    Originally posted by tom66
                    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
                    Too late! Press release has been sent already!
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