LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

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  • paulstef
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Dec 2013
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    #21
    Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

    Originally posted by Hamie
    PFC = Primary Filter Capacitor.
    That's new to me :-)

    PFC = Power factor correction

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    • VividElectrode
      Senior Member
      • May 2015
      • 57
      • USA

      #22
      Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

      From the service manual:

      When the Micon (IC100) on the Main Board receives an “ ON “ Command from either the Keyboard or the
      Remote IR Signal it outputs a high to RL-ON which enters the SMPS Board at Pin 19 of P803. The RL-ON
      command is sensed by the Sub Micon (U701) circuit which causes the Relay Drive Circuit to close Relay
      RL101 bringing the primary source voltage up to full power by increasing the 155V standby to 330V. At
      this time the 16V and 12V source becomes active and sent to the Main Board via P803. The relay on
      command on the main board turns on a 5 V general regulator that creates a 5V Det signal that is also set
      to the Power Supply
      Would this indicate that RL-ON is the PS-ON equivalent that I am looking for? If so, then according to the previous request I need to jump this to ground and jump 5V to VS_ON and then take another measurement across the PFC?

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      • paulstef
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        • Dec 2013
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        #23
        Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

        No, you need to find the short first. I mean if there IS a short. Can you measure the current through the light bulbs? The fuse is a 10A as far as I remember... The lamp current is probably much lower, not sure there is a short... But then, the 10A fuse blows.. :-/

        You could draw part of the circuit for us because we need to know where fuse 801 goes to.

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        • VividElectrode
          Senior Member
          • May 2015
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          #24
          Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

          I get 0.44A through the bulbs.

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          • paulstef
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            • Dec 2013
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            #25
            Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

            If you remove the fuse and bulbs, are you able to measure the short circuit , from fuse "output" to primary ground?

            If in doubt post a picture of the bottom layer of this board and I mark where to measure.

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            • VividElectrode
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              • May 2015
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              #26
              Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

              Here is a picture of the bottom.
              Attached Files

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              • VividElectrode
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                • May 2015
                • 57
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                #27
                Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                Originally posted by paulstef
                If you remove the fuse and bulbs, are you able to measure the short circuit , from fuse "output" to primary ground?

                If in doubt post a picture of the bottom layer of this board and I mark where to measure.
                I uploaded a pic of the bottom layer in my last post. Where should I measure the short circuit?
                thanks!

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                • paulstef
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                  #28
                  Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                  ok, remove the fuse 801 and measure resistance where marked.
                  Attached Files

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                  • VividElectrode
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                    • May 2015
                    • 57
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                    #29
                    Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                    Thank you. Fuse removed, board out of the set and on the work bench. I'm getting appx 1ohm. fluctuates a bit from 0.9 to 1.3. almost no resistance...so clearly a short somewhere?

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                    • paulstef
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                      • Dec 2013
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                      #30
                      Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                      Originally posted by VividElectrode
                      Thank you. Fuse removed, board out of the set and on the work bench. I'm getting appx 1ohm. fluctuates a bit from 0.9 to 1.3. almost no resistance...so clearly a short somewhere?
                      Yes. If you could take a better focused picture of the red area that would help.

                      You just need to follow the trace coming from the fuse and you will probably find the defective component. I still think it must be something bigger, diode or FET etc.

                      I'm assuming you measured from the what is the left fuse terminal (on the picture) to ground?
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by paulstef; 06-01-2015, 02:42 PM.

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                      • VividElectrode
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2015
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                        #31
                        Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                        Here is a better picture of that area.
                        And yes, I measure between the indicated points in the photo you uploaded. The left leg of the fuse to the ground. I tested this with a few points on the ground plane to confirm that all had the same results.
                        Attached Files

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                        • VividElectrode
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                          • May 2015
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                          #32
                          Re: LG 50PG20-UA Plasma - ** NO POWER **

                          I've double and triple checked the larger transistors and diodes attached to the heatsinks and I'm not having any luck finding anything bad. Tried tracing the circuit and no luck there either. I'm either missing it or somehow measuring wrong. But getting expected readings so I presume that I've just not tested the bad component yet somehow....
                          Any thoughts on how to proceed from here?

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