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    Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

    Great forum here! I've learned a lot from reading these posts.

    My problem is a Samsung Plasma PN42B450 which is 4 years old. About 6 months ago it started losing its picture, while sound continued. When this happens it will still respond to the remote control (volume up, down, power off, etc.), but nothing shows on the screen (not even the menu items). The only way that I have found to restore the picture is to power off, then power on. That brings back the pic, but over time it has gotten worse, such that the picture may fail 3, 4, or even 10-12 times during the first 15 - 30 minutes of operation.

    Usually, it seems that after a while the TV "settles down" or "warms up" to a point that it will maintain the picture. However, don't take that to mean that it is in any way CONSISTENT with its picture failure. Far from it! During the last 10 days that I have had it opened up to try to diagnose it, there have times that I thought it should be failing when it just wouldn't.... and vice versa.

    Here's what I have done so far:
    1. Replaced Power Supply board. No change. (Now after reading some of the threads here, I realize that was probably foolish!)
    2. Replaced Y-Main. No change.
    3. Found the sticker with voltage specs. Made minor reductions in Vs and Vsc to meet specs of 205 and -195. No satisfaction. (Obviously, I did this while the set was displaying picture. Vs drops to 0 when the picture fails.)
    4. Launched the test pattern by jumping pins 3 & 4 on the control board and unplugging a cable (forgot the name) to the control board (per Tom66's excellent post). Test pattern ran fine..., until the picture failed while sound continued.

    I have had a POSSIBLE BREAKTHROUGH this evening that I need someone's help with: I was using the plastic handle of a screwdriver to tap gently on some of the heat sinks & boards, especially the X-Main and found that I can CAUSE a failure by tapping on the X-Main heat sink OR by tapping on the X-buffer board. I have tried to narrow it down by gently tapping individual components, but haven't had much success with that.

    Would it make sense to disconnect the X-buffer from the X-Main and see if tapping the X-main still causes a failure? I didn't want to try that without asking some experts b/c I wasn't sure if it was safe to power up the TV with the x-buffer disconnected from the x-main.

    I would greatly appreciate any expert guidance I could get at this point.

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    Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

    As I've warned others, be VERY careful with this TV. You risk blowing your Y-main, since it appears that your X-main is faulty and they're chained; X-mains are a common failure point on these thin profile Samsungs. You may have a bad solder joint somewhere on the board. If there is no bad solder joint, I'd consider replacing the X-main and not tinkering with it any further. Here are my thoughts on these TVs:

    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...74&postcount=5
    Last edited by capkid; 07-27-2013, 10:45 PM.
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      #3
      Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

      Thanks for the response and the note of caution.

      Any thoughts as to whether the symptoms I'm seeing (intermittent picture failure) could be due to a problem with the plasma panel? While tapping the X-main or X-buffer elicits a failure, that same would also create some vibration in the panel also.

      J.R.

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        Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

        It's not impossible that the panel is faulty, but I doubt it.
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          Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

          Originally posted by capkid View Post
          You may have a bad solder joint somewhere on the board. If there is no bad solder joint, I'd consider replacing the X-main and not tinkering with it any further.
          I examined the solder joints with a magnifier. While some don't look "perfect", none look bad enough that I would expect them to cause a failure. Also, my soldering skills are not good enough for me to think I could improve them.

          I hope you don't mind a couple of quick questions:

          When replacing the X-main, do you recommend replacing the X-buffer also?

          My PBA # for X-Main is LJ92-01688A, but the number on the barcode sticker ends with "AA2" (BA 668A A2 9AE 3LL-AA2). Some of the replacements I have seen listed for sale seem to have the same PBA#, but a barcode sticker which ends in "AA1" (xx 668A xx xxx xxx-AA1). Are those boards interchangeable?

          Similar question with the X-buffer: PBA #LJ92-0172A with a barcode sticker: FP 672A A2 9AB 2Z6-AA2 but some replacement boards with that PBA number have a barcode ending in "AA1".

          Thanks for all your help!

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            Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

            Like anything, soldering becomes easy with practice. There are lots of good videos on youtube that show the proper technique.

            It's possible that your X-buffer is just fine, but I'd probably change both the X-main and X-buffer at the same time for peace of mind. The rev info is important, and Shopjimmy.com provides guidance:

            http://www.shopjimmy.com/catalogsear...lt/?q=PN42B450

            Whenever possible, I like to buy my parts from ShopJimmy.com, since they offer a 180-day warranty.
            Last edited by capkid; 07-29-2013, 04:14 PM.
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              Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

              Originally posted by capkid View Post
              Like anything, soldering becomes easy with practice. There are lots of good videos on youtube that show the proper technique.

              It's possible that your X-buffer is just fine, but I'd probably change both the X-main and X-buffer at the same time for peace of mind. The rev info is important, and Shopjimmy.com provides guidance:

              http://www.shopjimmy.com/catalogsear...lt/?q=PN42B450

              Whenever possible, I like to buy my parts from ShopJimmy.com, since they offer a 180-day warranty.
              Well, Capkid, I followed your advice on replacing the X-main & X-buffer simultaneously and my problem seems to be totally resolved! Thanks for your recommendations!

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                #8
                Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

                Excellent. Hopefully, it stays functional. You should also update your firmware, if you haven't already, to prevent a premature repeat failure. I believe this is your firmware:

                http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...N42B450B1DXZA?
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                  Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

                  Yep! I had read some of your previous posts about keeping the firmware up-to-date. Did that before I installed the replacement X-main & X-buffer. (Don't need to do it again after replacing those boards, do I ? I wouldn't think any of the firmware resides on those boards, but I could certainly be wrong about that.)
                  Thanks,
                  J.R.

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung Plasma: picture fails, sound remains

                    I think you're ok.
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