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  • everell
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jan 2009
    • 1514
    • USA

    #1

    Snap, crackle, and fart....

    New project, a Dell Model L350N-00 350 watts. Opened the case and found four bulging capacitors. So removed the pc board from the case and replaced the bulging capacitors. Then applied power to check out the power supply. All voltages came up fine. So I sat back looking at my newly repaired psu, and about two minutes after power up, there was a bang, crackle, sparks flying. I shut off the power and sat back looking at my newly fixed wreck, wondering what happened when I began smelling paper burning. Didn't see anything......so lifted up the power supply pc board and the paper it was sitting on was on fire! A small fire which I quickly extinguished, but a fire none the less. So I sat back looking at the mess......WOW!!!

    Guess I better take a look see and find out what happened. Smoke covered about 75% of the bottom of the board. So I got out the alcohol and brush. It cleaned up well, so well I couldn't see where the damage was. Thinking the sparks probably came from the switching transistors shorting, I measured them with ohm meter. Everything looked good. Checked 5vsb power transistor...also good. Checked the output diodes.....all good. Checked the fuse....also good. What in the world is going on???

    On one corner of the bottom of the pc board, the manufacturer had put a bunch of that white silicon stuff, then attached a piece of plastic about one inch by one inch. I suppose this was to prevent arcing to the case. So I decided to remove it. As I was pulling the plastic away, the white stuff started crumbling, and throughout the white stuff were small black pockets. Using screwdriver, I scraped away all the white stuff, then cleaned the board with alcohol. All that was covered was the snubber for the main switching transistor. The protection diode was shorted, and the filter capacitor 2.2 uF 450 volts was very high esr, and the filter resistor checked out OK. Some of the circuit trace had been blasted away.

    With pc board cleaned up and damaged parts removed, I decided to try powering up without the snubber - as it is only a protection circuit. I turned on power, and the power supply came up just fine. All output voltages normal. Then shut down power as I do not like running without the snubber.

    Root cause analysis of this failure: The white stuff goes conductive with age and causes some power supplies to go ........ snap, crackle, and fart (err....pop).
    Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)
  • 370forlife
    Large Marge
    • Aug 2008
    • 3112
    • United States

    #2
    Re: Snap, crackle, and fart....

    Enermax had this problem a while back. I guess lite-on did too. Glue gets old and hot, gets conductive. The silicon type glue as well as hot glue that the cheaper companies use doesn't do this.

    Delta actually doesn't use glue anymore in their assembly, they make steel weights that are shaped so they hold down as many parts as possible while going through soldering. Smart as they can be constantly reused and money is saved on glue.

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    • everell
      Badcaps Legend
      • Jan 2009
      • 1514
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Snap, crackle, and fart....

      Not only does the glue get conductive over time, it is also corrosive. Here is a picture showing a diode which was completely covered with the glue. The glue had turned almost black. After removing the glue, you can see the greenish color on the diode lead which is copper oxide. This psu is a recently acquired Bestec ATX-250 12E.
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      Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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      • Scenic
        o.O
        • Sep 2007
        • 2642
        • Germany

        #4
        Re: Snap, crackle, and fart....

        i've seen older fortrons that failed to start up..
        the PWM controller was partly covered (pins) with that crappy glue... turned dark brown and got conductive, and the PWM controller got totally out of whack, preventing the PSU from starting up..

        well.. at least better than having fried fets/diode-packs because of that glue i guess

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        • ratdude747
          Black Sheep
          • Nov 2008
          • 17136
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Snap, crackle, and fart....

          i guess that psu is a pyro... might explain the liteons i ave had go funky... i had one that wasa claimed lighning hit, the person even got insurance money back on it, but i know it was a liteon unit and i bet it made the power go funky when it blew. second worst charring after the burnt bestec 12e i had charred... damn 5vsb circuit...

          i have a couple still, i better pull the psu's out of use until i can get the glue cleaned off.
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