Help for fixing PSU

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

.... because of my interest, my friend give me another PSU with hisssss sound coming from the main o/p which he give up to fix it.

My friend gave me a very old PSU, G-tech (P) Model: LC-B350ATX, which even have no ATX12V 4Pins connector. He had replaced all the power transistors for main outputs and +5Vsb. +5Vsb is back. While shorting green wire to ground, it has main o/p but with hisssssss sound, furthermore, the main o/p is vanished when loading with an DVDRom. He give up and give it to me.

I further study it. I found the diodes and resistors connected to the two pull-push power transistors of the main supply is damaged. After replacing them, it can load with an DVDRom, but still with hisssss sound.

Then I replaced the main transformer, the hisssss sound becomes smaller. Finally, I decided to replace the 2.2µ cap connected to those defective diodes and resistors. I though that the components of that path may all be damaged. ie, 2 power transistors, 2 diodes, 2 resistors and main transformer are all damaged. Miraclely, the hisss sound is disappeared.
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Then I replaced back the main transformer, the hisssss sound come back again. It proves the main transformer is really damaged. Then I dissambly it, but, bizarrely, I can't find any defect visually.

bizaree .... bizaree .... bizaree ....

Anyway, I had finally fix it. I hope it may give me some hints to tackle the PSU which hisssss sound in +5Vsb circuit.

Thanks for all.

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Sorry for late reply .... I am too busy ....

Is every Transformer is hissing with that Faulty Circuit ??

Yes, 2 is smaller, and the other is louder. now I use the louder one.

Besides, because of my interest, my friend give me another PSU with hisssss sound coming from the main o/p which he give up to fix it.

I will get the 222pF cap and 18V Zener from the shop ... maybe today.

Furthermore, I will go to see if I can get an 2nd-hand PSU but useful from the shop with the same model of my PSU and my friend's PSU, so that maybe I can fix them by replacing component by component to see which causing the hisssss ....

Finally, I may borrow an oscilloscope to have thorough check-up .....

[Escort Eagle]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

That makes me REALLY want to know which component make that terrible
hissss sound and drop down the +5Vsb.

Is every Transformer is hissing with that Faulty Circuit ??

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

You should do the SMPS IC mod.

I.E. using the FSDM311, or TNY377

It will be easier than fixing this circuit and this circuit you are trying to fix is not reliable - if something goes wrong the output voltage can go over 20v! (Not with a proper control chip!)

Yes, with IC mod, it is better.

Recently, I fix another PSU, Bestec ATX300P5WB, which used TNY276PN for its +5Bsb. Thanks for "everell " who provide me the similar circuit, I can easily found out TNY276PN was defective.

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Normally When Primary 5VSB section is Designed with Transistor (Like C5027, C3866), I found T3 Transformer is 4 ohms . But in Mosfet based Design Transformer's I found 3 ohms Resistance . No Problem with 4 ohms if your Series Bulb 40W does not glow . Higher Rated of C502 or C503 will increase your output voltage . I am not sure about the particular capacitor . Most probably it will be C502 . Increase it littlebit (Like 222 PF) and measure the output voltage, what happens .

Thanks for your patience and useful info. But I have no 222pf cap on hand. I need to get one with the 18V zener soon.

Yes, I am sure about that - It is 18V . 18V is available in the market . And do not remove the 33K Resistor . Use the 18V Zener in Parallel with 33K Resistor . You can use 16V, But not 20V .

I see ... thanks for useful info.

Replace it with previous Regulator with which was given you 5V .

I had already mixed with other AZ431, and can't identify it now.

yes, If the Circuits are from different company, then Output "5VSB, GND and IC supply" will be in different places . You Just need 1 Yards wire to check it with another transformer . Cut the 1 Yards wire into 7 Pieces and connect those 7 pieces wires with circuit and Transformer according to your need and keep the transformer besides the circuit board .

Thanks for your suggestion, but I get one good PSU from my friend which has the same EE-19. I used it to test all my 3 EE-19, they are all good with no single sound and keep +5Vsb at +5.0V.
Besides, I had tested all my AZ431, C945 amd Optocoupler with the good PSU, they are all good.

That makes me REALLY want to know which component make that terrible
hissss sound and drop down the +5Vsb.

"I will catch you eventually, wait for me .... "

Ya, Gate Voltage 4.x is OK . Because Gate voltage is upto +/- 20V for 2N60 .

I see. Thanks for your great info, caused that good PSU does not use MOSFET.

Set the Multimeter to AC 1000V . Now look at the circuit - Transformer's One pin is connected with Mosfet's Drain Pin directly . Now with Just any ONE probe of Multimeter's touch that line and measure how much AC voltage is present there ?

My multimeter is digital and auto-range. Anyway, I set it to AC V, and use ONE probe to touch the Drain, it shows only 1.4x.

Finally, thanks for your help, but I will be off in next 2 days. Many thanks in advance.

[ben7]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

You should do the SMPS IC mod.

I.E. using the FSDM311, or TNY377

It will be easier than fixing this circuit and this circuit you are trying to fix is not reliable - if something goes wrong the output voltage can go over 20v! (Not with a proper control chip!)

[Escort Eagle]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

The resistance of T3 (isolated) is 4, 0.6 and 0.1/0.2 ohm.

Normally When Primary 5VSB section is Designed with Transistor (Like C5027, C3866), I found T3 Transformer is 4 ohms . But in Mosfet based Design Transformer's I found 3 ohms Resistance . No Problem with 4 ohms if your Series Bulb 40W does not glow . Higher Rated of C502 or C503 will increase your output voltage . I am not sure about the particular capacitor . Most probably it will be C502 . Increase it littlebit (Like 222 PF) and measure the output voltage, what happens .

Is it really 18V?

Yes, I am sure about that - It is 18V . 18V is available in the market . And do not remove the 33K Resistor . Use the 18V Zener in Parallel with 33K Resistor . You can use 16V, But not 20V .

But the "new" AZ431 is extracted from a bad PSU

Replace it with previous Regulator with which was given you 5V .

Besides, the T3 of my good PSU is EE-19N, the secondary output is different from EE-19

yes, If the Circuits are from different company, then Output "5VSB, GND and IC supply" will be in different places . You Just need 1 Yards wire to check it with another transformer . Cut the 1 Yards wire into 7 Pieces and connect those 7 pieces wires with circuit and Transformer according to your need and keep the transformer besides the circuit board .

I found the DC bias of Q1's gate is 4.xV, compared with another good PSU which is only 1.9V

Ya, Gate Voltage 4.x is OK . Because Gate voltage is upto +/- 20V for 2N60 .

I am also wondering the ability of my multimeter dealing with AC reading

Set the Multimeter to AC 1000V . Now look at the circuit - Transformer's One pin is connected with Mosfet's Drain Pin directly . Now with Just any ONE probe of Multimeter's touch that line and measure how much AC voltage is present there ?

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

The reason I want to see the rest of the power supply is that how this 5+ power supply gets 300VDC from 230V input, at 230V and without PFC, I would expect to see 325VDC feeding it.
The humming sound, I wonder if this self-oscillating power supply is running at the wrong frequency.
Do you have true R.M.S. meter, if you do, set it to AC and take the AC ripple reading of that 300VDC feeding this circuits.

Sorry that I haven't any RMS meter. Besides, I am also wondering the ability of my multimeter dealing with AC reading. When I checked the AC Voltage or DC Voltage before D502 and D503, it gives out 1.9V.

I think it will be little helpful for you .

1. Vow, you are really expert, you even know the design of T3.
The resistance of T3 (isolated) is 4, 0.6 and 0.1/0.2 ohm.

2. I haven't any 18V zener, I will get one next time I visit the shop. Is it really 18V? Can I get 16V or 20V or something? It will be more easy.

3. I think AZ431 is good caused I had already replaced it. (But the "new" AZ431 is extracted from a bad PSU, I will get one from a good PSU to have a test)

Besides, the T3 of my good PSU is EE-19N, the secondary output is different from EE-19, I need to check whether I can get an EE-19 from another good PSU.

Furthermore, I found the DC bias of Q1's gate is 4.xV, compared with another good PSU which is only 1.9V. Is it the biasing of Q1 not good?

Many thanks in advance.

[Escort Eagle]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

I think it will be little helpful for you .

[budm]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

The reason I want to see the rest of the power supply is that how this 5+ power supply gets 300VDC from 230V input, at 230V and without PFC, I would expect to see 325VDC feeding it.
The humming sound, I wonder if this self-oscillating power supply is running at the wrong frequency.
Do you have true R.M.S. meter, if you do, set it to AC and take the AC ripple reading of that 300VDC feeding this circuits.

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Do you have the rest of the diagram of this power supply?

Temporarily no. I want to dedicate with +5Vsb first. Maybe later ....

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Hmmmm ....... really bad day for you Honestly speaking you should return this PSU to your neighbour . Because - this design +5VSB Transformer (EE-19) Damage is common problem . You are lucky that your Transformer is not totally shorted or open . But still If you are looking for hope then - - -

I will extract an EE-19 from a good PSU to have a trial later.

Thanks for your great info again.

[budm]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Do you have the rest of the diagram of this power supply?

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

I have a feeling something else also get damaged when the uniot was set to 110VAC and was fed with 230VAC. The main bridge rectifier is OK, other section of the power supply semiconductors checked OK?

Thanks for your reply. Yes, the bridge, 2 push-pull power transistors and MOSFET of +5Vsb are all burnt, and they are all replace.

AH, the hum is from the main filter caps, they are broken, b/c it was plugged in and set to 110v, so the voltage doubler doubled the 230v, blowing them up.

Ah, luckily, the primary caps are ok, caused I had replaced them for test. I think they are ok because the duration is too short. Besides, it is 200V vs 230V anyway, it is not exceed too much.

Hmmmm ....... really bad day for you Honestly speaking you should return this PSU to your neighbour . Because - this design +5VSB Transformer (EE-19) Damage is common problem . You are lucky that your Transformer is not totally shorted or open . But still If you are looking for hope then - - -

Thanks for your reply.
Haha ... he has another new PSU, he don't want it back. It is totally on my hobby now.

First - You must have a 100W series Bulb to Repair any PSU . Because it will prevent you in further Damage .

Yes, I use a 40W bulb.

Second - The noise is coming from your +5VSB Transformer (EE-19) . Because Transformer's EE core are loosen . Give some HIT on the Top of the Transformer with the back of you Screw Driver . If it stop noising then you are lucky otherwise you have really bad time !! I don't understand - why +5VSB is suddenly dropping ?? Is your +5VSB Primary section's all parts are OK ?? If all parts are OK, then it is the problem of your Transformer !!

I think you are right. The sound is coming from EE-19, but I had already replaced it by two another EE-19., one with louder sound, the other the same. Are they slightly different causing this? Any suggestions ???

OHHHHHHHH ...... MAN !!!! Still you have many things to do ..... I cann't write so much . Firstly tell me - Is your +5VSB is at 5.2V or not ?? Other discussion will be later after repairing the +5VSB voltage successfully otherwise we cann't go ahead .

+5Vsb is 5V before. But while dealing with the hiss sound, it drops to 4.3V now and can't back to 5V. Toooooo..... sad ......

Thanks for great info anyway.

May be you PSU is look like this -

Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't look like that.

[Escort Eagle]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

May be you PSU is look like this -

[Escort Eagle]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Hmmmm ....... really bad day for you Honestly speaking you should return this PSU to your neighbour . Because - this design +5VSB Transformer (EE-19) Damage is common problem . You are lucky that your Transformer is not totally shorted or open . But still If you are looking for hope then - - -

First - You must have a 100W series Bulb to Repair any PSU . Because it will prevent you in further Damage .

Second - The noise is coming from your +5VSB Transformer (EE-19) . Because Transformer's EE core are loosen . Give some HIT on the Top of the Transformer with the back of you Screw Driver . If it stop noising then you are lucky otherwise you have really bad time !! I don't understand - why +5VSB is suddenly dropping ?? Is your +5VSB Primary section's all parts are OK ?? If all parts are OK, then it is the problem of your Transformer !!

OHHHHHHHH ...... MAN !!!! Still you have many things to do ..... I cann't write so much . Firstly tell me - Is your +5VSB is at 5.2V or not ?? Other discussion will be later after repairing the +5VSB voltage successfully otherwise we cann't go ahead .

[ben7]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

AH, the hum is from the main filter caps, they are broken, b/c it was plugged in and set to 110v, so the voltage doubler doubled the 230v, blowing them up.

[budm]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

I have a feeling something else also get damaged when the uniot was set to 110VAC and was fed with 230VAC. The main bridge rectifier is OK, other section of the power supply semiconductors checked OK?

[hkqq2010]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

Replace C503 4.7 uF capacitor. It is the "critical" capacitor in this power supply.

What is brand and model number of this power supply? What is measurement of 5VSB circuit? If Vcc to the TL494 is 30 volts, I would expect the 5vsb to be about 10 volts.

Thanks for your suggestion. I had replaced C503 but with no luck, there is still little hum sound. Any further suggestion??

BTW, the PSU is EnerPlus PE380 which was dumped by my neighbour who said it is damaged by his little son by setting the switch to 110V. There are many components damaged. I am very interested to know whether I can fix it and how many efforts and $$ to fix it.

If C507 and/or C508 are bad, the 5VSB can start oscillating and making weird noises as well. Usually it hisses.

I would say first start by replacing C503 as everell suggested. If that doesn't fix the problem, C507 and C508 are next. If that's not it either and the hum really does sound like a 50 or 60 Hz line hum, then it could be the primary caps too (although that's very unlikely).

Thanks for your suggestions. I had replaced C503, C507 & C508, but there is still a little hisses sound. I even replaced the primary caps, but no luck. Yes, it like a 50 Hz line hum.

Besides, after the replacements of caps, I found +5Vsb drop from +5V to +4.3V. Then I put back those caps, but it still remains +4.3V. I even replaced Q1, Q2 and the Optocoupler, but no luck.

Really tooooo bad ...

I think I need to trace it from the very beginning again. Any suggestion ???

[momaka]

Re: Help for fixing PSU

If C507 and/or C508 are bad, the 5VSB can start oscillating and making weird noises as well. Usually it hisses.

I would say first start by replacing C503 as everell suggested. If that doesn't fix the problem, C507 and C508 are next. If that's not it either and the hum really does sound like a 50 or 60 Hz line hum, then it could be the primary caps too (although that's very unlikely).