A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

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  • mon2
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    • Dec 2019
    • 13835
    • Canada

    #1

    A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

    Hi. Welcome feedback on this logic board.

    820-00840

    Client complained that it was not charging the battery. We originally took the logic board apart for measurements and found the logic board was working ok. Gave it back to the client and requested they bring it back for a battery replacement (charge cycles ~950 on the original battery).

    Now the logic board is not booting, much like their original complaint about it being flaky.

    Charger shows 20v @ 34mA / 33mA on Type C meter.

    PPBUS_G3H @ 0v. No shorts. Current sense resistors into / exit on U7000 are measuring ok.
    TBA_AUX_DET @ 5v1
    D6905, pin #2 @ 20v5
    PP3V3_G3H @ 3v42

    Replaced mosfet @ Q7030 with belief it was shorted (gate & drain). However it may have been my error in measurement as the mosfet, after removal from the PCB, was fine on the resistance checks.

    U7000 is a nasty WLCSP package so unable to probe all points.

    Original U7000 = ISL9239HI. Sourced and replaced with ISL9239C0 from Mobile Sentrix. Was a bit reluctant to use the 'C0' for the 'HI' but many websites are listing 'C0' as a valid replacement for the A1708 logic boards.

    No change after the U7000 replacement.

    No voltage on L7030.

    No battery is attached to the logic board.

    Does this logic board require a battery to boot ?

    Any ideas on why PPBUS_G3H remains OFF ?

    Update #1:

    Attached the now draining (fresh) battery from Mobile Sentrix. The voltage on the battery is about 11v5. This is the voltage that appears on PPBUS_G3H.

    The logic board continues to consume ~34-36mA. Have fan spin upon adapter connection, chimes quickly and see the battery icon requesting to charge the battery. Then the display goes dark.

    Update # 2:

    Thanks to:
    https://repair.wiki/w/A1708_2016,_20...ar_MacBook_Pro

    PP5V_S4 is missing but not shorted
    Yup. That is this logic board as well. Investigating this now.

    L7670 (PP5V_S4) is @ 0V.

    L7690 (PP3V3_S5) is also @ 0V.

    This makes sense since, both rails are being created by U7650 (TPS51980A) which takes as input, PPBUS_G3H. However, PPBUS_G3H is @ 0V.

    So this cannot be the fault.
    Last edited by mon2; 12-06-2021, 12:33 PM.
  • mon2
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    • Dec 2019
    • 13835
    • Canada

    #2
    Re: A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

    SMB_PMIC_SDA is not shorted to ground (~7k5 resistance) but is showing ~0v8 on the SDA line.

    The local pull-up is present for the SDA line @ R5380.

    SMB_PMIC_SCL is showing ~3v3.

    Could the SMC chip be defective (U7800; SN650839ZAJ) or U5000 ?

    Will replace R5380 tomorrow to rule out this component. Resistance checks out fine for this pull-up.

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    • mon2
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      • Dec 2019
      • 13835
      • Canada

      #3
      Re: A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

      My Peter Parker sense is tingling. SMBUS_SMC_5_G3H_SDA communication line, that is stuck low @ 0v8 is also mated with SMBUS_BATT_SDA. This party line is then mated with the battery connector and also a local TVS diode (D6950) to protect transients on the SCL & SDA lines.

      The TVS diode @ D6950 looks like a possible candidate for this fault. Will reflow and/or remove to confirm.
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      • mon2
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        • Dec 2019
        • 13835
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

        Removed D6950 off the board.

        We have PPBUS_G3H !!!!!!!!!!

        After removing D6950, the resistance to ground increased for the SMBUS_BATT_SDA rail (and also for SMBUS_BATT_SCL).

        Type C meter now climbs much higher than the ~35mA that was not allowing for the board to boot.

        So, U7000 + mosfet (Q7030) were both replaced. Numerous parts on this SMBUS line were reflowed but could not fix this fault. In hindsight, do not believe that either of these parts were to blame and did not require to be replaced. The SMBUS interface was being pulled down and prevented for the proper communication by the SMC (SMC bus master) with this slave switching buck regulator.

        PPBUS_G3H remained OFF (about 20-30mV).

        Removing the TVS diode @ D6950 now allows for a healthy voltage @ PPBUS_G3H.

        Have some fresh TVS diodes in transit from Arrow to replace and ship out this computer

        RCLAMP3552T.TNT
        SEMTECH

        https://www.arrow.com/en/products/rc...2t.tnt/semtech

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        • ugamazing
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          • Jun 2013
          • 164
          • usa

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          Re: A1708 stuck @ 20V, 34mA on charger

          Awesome job, way to go! Been following this one.

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