A2338 820-02020-A 5V, no screen, unable to revive/restore

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • yheriatovych
    Member
    • Jan 2024
    • 15
    • Ukraine

    #1

    A2338 820-02020-A 5V, no screen, unable to revive/restore

    Hi. I need some help troubleshooting the issue (which is a bit odd to my limited experience) with the A2338 Macbook.

    Initial symptoms:

    One day the laptop refused to wake up (as it seemed at first), spinning the fan on full blast, with no picture on the screen.
    Force rebooting didn't help. To check if it boots at all I connected the external display and surprisingly it booted to the system, and I was able to log in to the system.
    However, I noticed that it was in some weird state:
    • The fan was still blasting at full speed. It's blasting even when the system is off, but when you open the lid or connect to the charger. Closing the lid (with the system off) turns off the fan.
    • Even though the screen was not working, it was recognized by the system.
    • Wifi or Bluetooth were not detected.
    • Battery showed 1%, but checking system info about the battery (no serial number or other battery info).
    • The system will work for some time, but reboot after some time with the purple "death" screen.

    Software restore attempts:

    Suspecting software-related issues, I managed to boot into recovery (again, only with an external screen) and back up the (encrypted) data via the "Share Disk" feature.
    Attempts to run diagnostics failed with the message that the laptop has to be connected to the internet (but it never showed any WiFi network selection screen, I assume due to WiFi not being detected, as with the live system.)
    Next, I attempted to revive/restore the laptop via DFU mode and the working host Macbook. Even though the laptop was recognized by Apple Configurator to be in DFU mode, both revive/restore failed with the following error message on the installation step.

    The System cannot be restored on this device.
    Gave up waiting for the device to transition from DFU state to DFU state.

    [com.apple.MobileDevice.MobileRestore - OXFCA (4042)]

    Hardware inspection:

    After disassembling the laptop and inspecting the motherboard I did not find any signs of liquid damage, corrosion, or any visually damaged components.
    Observations:
    I used this resource as an initial guide on what to check.

    PPBUS_AON:
    without the battery - 12.3V, dropping down to around 9V (hard to tell exactly due multimeter sampling rate) once a second.
    with the battery and DC in - 11.78V, stable, slowly increasing by millivolts, 11.62 without DC in

    PP3v8_AON: 3.8, but "boot looping" is similar to PPBUS_AON to lower value.

    PPDCIN_AON_GHGR_R: 5.15V

    Current sensing resistors around ISL9240: R5221, R5222, R5261, R5262 are around 1.00 Ω
    As I understand, ISL9240 may be the problem. But want to gather a bit more information before making any conclusions.
    Would appreciate any help.







  • mon2
    Badcaps Legend
    • Dec 2019
    • 14500
    • Canada

    #2
    • Battery showed 1%, but checking system info about the battery (no serial number or other battery info).
    Measure the voltage to ground on each pin on the battery connector. Be sure that the battery is 100% compatible with this logic board. Post each measurement. We are checking if the SMBUS lines are shorted or not from an ESD event. We invested 3 days on a similar case which other local shops rejected. Found the fault down to a small SC-70 packaged dual esd device to be the root cause. Took out SDA or the SCL line.
    Last edited by mon2; 01-31-2024, 01:51 PM.

    Comment

    • yheriatovych
      Member
      • Jan 2024
      • 15
      • Ukraine

      #3
      Originally posted by mon2

      Measure the voltage to ground on each pin on the battery connector.
      I assume on the motherboard side?
      Inner pin - Voltage jumps around once a second to somewhere around 2.3-4.2.
      Outer pin - 0V

      On the battery side (if that is relevant):
      Inner pin (relative to the motherboard) - 2.19V.
      Outer pin - 0V


      Originally posted by mon2
      Be sure that the battery is 100% compatible with this logic board.
      The battery is the stock one that the laptop came with.

      Comment

      • mon2
        Badcaps Legend
        • Dec 2019
        • 14500
        • Canada

        #4
        No. See attached. It is J5151 and should be with 10 contacts. Meter in DC volts mode (20v or higher is ok).

        Black meter probe to ground. Red meter probe to the pin to measure. Interested specifically in the voltage levels on pins # 2 and # 3. Each measured to ground. These are the I2C communication lines and if either of these is defective, you will experience the same symptoms as you have posted.

        You do the following:

        1) Remove all power. Remove the battery. You will need access to the connector @ J5151.
        2) Meter in DC volts (20v or higher is ok)
        3) Red meter probe on pin # 2 (see below); black meter probe to pin #1 or any metal shield that will be a ground level. What is the measurement of the measured I2C line? Repeat for pin # 3 and ground. Post each measurement.


        Click image for larger version  Name:	i2c_battery_connections.png Views:	0 Size:	209.7 KB ID:	3208199



        Click image for larger version  Name:	battery_connector.png Views:	0 Size:	479.4 KB ID:	3208198
        Last edited by mon2; 01-31-2024, 02:39 PM.

        Comment

        • yheriatovych
          Member
          • Jan 2024
          • 15
          • Ukraine

          #5
          Sorry. Misunderstood which connector to measure

          Measured I2C pins on J5151. Both are stable 3.26V. Measured with the battery attached.

          Comment

          • mon2
            Badcaps Legend
            • Dec 2019
            • 14500
            • Canada

            #6
            Be sure that the contacts from the battery cable are mating with the logic board contacts. Only then can the communication continue to share the details of the battery pack to the host.

            Otherwise, the voltage readings are ok. Disconnect the trackpad and test with an external keyboard & mouse. The fans will be full blast due to the missing thermal sensors in the trackpad. Does the unit boot?

            Is the screen compatible with this unit? Is the screen the original or a replacement? Any difference if the screen is disconnected and tested with only an external monitor?

            Comment

            • yheriatovych
              Member
              • Jan 2024
              • 15
              • Ukraine

              #7
              Originally posted by mon2
              1) Remove all power. Remove the battery. You will need access to the connector @ J5151.
              Sorry. Missed that part.

              Disconnected the battery. Measured I2C voltages - 0.0V. But I'm not sure how there could be any voltage without DC/Bat connected.
              On battery side, it's also 0V

              Comment

              • yheriatovych
                Member
                • Jan 2024
                • 15
                • Ukraine

                #8
                The battery is making contact, as fans can spin, and I can turn on the laptop without DC IN (on battery only).
                Disconnected the trackpad. The unit boots as before (no internal screen, allows to login, no info on battery, no wifi, reboots after around 30 sec with purple flash)
                Edit: the screen is original, I don't have any donor parts, nor a similar model to cross-verify.

                Made a screenshot of sys info of the battery.

                Battery info

                Comment

                • mon2
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Dec 2019
                  • 14500
                  • Canada

                  #9
                  Sorry - forgot to add to attach your power adapter. The voltage on the I2C lines will be from the main power rail. Does not appear that the fault is in this area but you can check without the battery connected.

                  Try a SMC reset and boot in this mode. This will bypass the use of the sensors so the fan will be on high speed. Are you stable in this boot mode?

                  Comment

                  • yheriatovych
                    Member
                    • Jan 2024
                    • 15
                    • Ukraine

                    #10
                    Sorry, how do I reset SMC on M1 MacBook? I thought that ARM Macbooks do not have SMC, so they cannot be reset.

                    Comment

                    • mon2
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Dec 2019
                      • 14500
                      • Canada

                      #11
                      You are correct. Did not realize the model type.

                      reference:
                      M1 SMC reset - Apple Community

                      Wish to note that if your fan speed is full blast, most likely due to a sensor fault or I2C line being stuck / defective then DFU will not complete properly. That was our experience with a DFU attempt on the A2141.

                      Q: What is the power rating of your USB C power adapter? Is it the Apple original for this box? You will be also ok to consider use of a quality 100W USB C power adapter but be sure that you are using an active USB-C power cable that will contain an e-marker IC inside the hood of the cable. That is, only an active cable with the e-marker IC will be able to pass the heavy currents of 5A @ 20V to power these units.
                      Last edited by mon2; 01-31-2024, 05:10 PM.

                      Comment

                      • yheriatovych
                        Member
                        • Jan 2024
                        • 15
                        • Ukraine

                        #12
                        I'm using a 100W Apple power adapter with an Apple usb-c to usb-c cable. Used that before, and didn't have any problems before.

                        Do you know if voltage "blinking" is ok for PPBUS_AON with no battery attached?
                        Not switching to 20V (testing on both ports) is also worrying me, but I'm not sure what could be the reason for that.

                        Comment

                        • mon2
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Dec 2019
                          • 14500
                          • Canada

                          #13
                          Read this:

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/macbook/com...own_on_mbp_m1/

                          Comment

                          • yheriatovych
                            Member
                            • Jan 2024
                            • 15
                            • Ukraine

                            #14
                            mon2 Thanks for the help with the troubleshooting.

                            Originally posted by mon2
                            Hard to tell if that is related to my case. In recovery mode, the laptop didn't reboot by itself (which gave me plenty of time to back up the data). Also not sure if GPU issue could affect sensors/wifi/screen that way.


                            Did a couple of measurements:
                            I2C lines of the battery connector without the battery - 3.26V both, so seems to be fine, I guess.

                            With the battery connected and DC in, the PPDCIN_AON_GHGR_R voltage is 20V and the total power consumption is around 12W.
                            Just to check if the battery is flat, measured the battery voltage, and it's 11.73V and slowly increasing, so the battery is fine I assume.
                            PPBUS_AON is 12.0V

                            Any ideas on what to check next to pinpoint the issue?

                            Comment

                            • yheriatovych
                              Member
                              • Jan 2024
                              • 15
                              • Ukraine

                              #15
                              Couple of more observations:

                              While having battery and power adapter plugged in, I let the laptop run for couple of minutes and inspected (just by sensinsg with my finger, without thermal camera) if there are any heat sources.

                              One component, LC710 was HOT, hard to touch, so probably around 80+ celsius.
                              Measuring voltage on each of it's pins are:
                              PP3V3_S2 - 0.4V
                              PP3V3_S2_SW - 0.7V
                              Those looks wrong to me.

                              Following the to UC710, measured PPBUS_AON​_3V3_S2_VIN_ISNS - after connecting power, it is reading 11.77V, after some time it switches to 0V
                              That looks totally wrong.

                              Comment

                              • mon2
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Dec 2019
                                • 14500
                                • Canada

                                #16
                                Test by booting into SAFE mode. Is it stable in this mode?

                                https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/sta...e-silicon-mac/


                                PP3V3_S2 - 0.4V
                                PP3V3_S2_SW - 0.7V​

                                what are resistance values to ground for these points? No power in resistance checks.

                                Comment

                                • yheriatovych
                                  Member
                                  • Jan 2024
                                  • 15
                                  • Ukraine

                                  #17
                                  Both are reading 0, so shorted to ground.

                                  Works pretty much the same in safe mode. However I'm not sure if that is safe mode, as I don't see the label in the top menu bar, as the resolution of the external screen is slightly wrong, and I cannot change it as opening display settings now working (kinda opening the settings page quickly and then returning to the main settings window, rebooting after couple of tries)

                                  Comment

                                  • mon2
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Dec 2019
                                    • 14500
                                    • Canada

                                    #18
                                    Would you have an adjustable power supply? Generally need a power supply that can dial up 0v8 but high current like 5A. This can be used to inject power on to this shorted rail. Then check who is heating up. In injection, all power is removed then this process. Often, a shorted tantalum capacitor will show up as the root cause. It will crack open under this pressure.

                                    Comment

                                    • yheriatovych
                                      Member
                                      • Jan 2024
                                      • 15
                                      • Ukraine

                                      #19
                                      Found a very similar issue described here: https://boards.rossmanngroup.com/thr...o-image.63859/

                                      Measured resistance across RD560 confirmed that it's shorted.

                                      Comment

                                      • yheriatovych
                                        Member
                                        • Jan 2024
                                        • 15
                                        • Ukraine

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by mon2
                                        Would you have an adjustable power supply? Generally need a power supply that can dial up 0v8 but high current like 5A. This can be used to inject power on to this shorted rail. Then check who is heating up. In injection, all power is removed then this process. Often, a shorted tantalum capacitor will show up as the root cause. It will crack open under this pressure.
                                        Thanks for the advice. I do have an adjustable power supply.
                                        My observations on RD560 still do not address shorted PP3V3_S2, so I'll try to find for shorted cap visually and with the power supply.




                                        Comment

                                        Related Topics

                                        Collapse

                                        • iMuhtaseb
                                          820-02020 A2338 Restore/Revive Failed
                                          by iMuhtaseb
                                          A2338 - Pristine condition.. I took out of the board and inspected it.. nothing.. as if the computer is barely used even.

                                          Anyway, customer said they tried erasing/formatting it and it got stuck on Apple logo preventing to go further.. I asked them why they tried to erase it from the first place? They said it turned off randomly once.. then they erased it and it worked out for a few days then it shut off again..

                                          I put the computer in DFU; I downloaded the latest Ventura IPSW and restored it.. during the "Installing.." it restarts then it shows the exclamation...
                                          09-11-2023, 08:43 AM
                                        • Stephen
                                          A2338 MacBook Pro M1 Issue with DFU Restore or revive.
                                          by Stephen
                                          Customer came in with a board issue, board looks clean, board turns on, he did a software update and he got the infamous Apple boot loop logo. He took it to Apple and Apple said he needed a new board. They attempted to DFU revive restore etc no luck. The board is stuck on the (!) point. I tried DFU myself and no luck. Nothing, board boots up goes into DFU computer turns on with Apple logo when applying the patch and nothing it gets stuck at halfway point and hangs on. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this particular issue. Board isn't liquid damage from what I can tell...
                                          10-11-2024, 11:14 AM
                                        • jkruns
                                          M1 A2338 screen and touchbar issues after cleaning up liquid damage
                                          by jkruns
                                          Hello everyone,

                                          This is my first post after browsing this wonderful treasure trove of knowledge for many, many evenings. I've decided to learn how to fix these things, properly.

                                          My patient is an A2338 Macbook Pro M1 (late 2020).

                                          It had some corrosion around JT710 and JT700 caused by liquid spill, as well as against the protective barrier around the USB-C chips UF000 and UF100. So I took the main board out and cleaned it with a toothbrush and alcohol, then with alcohol in an ultrasonic cleaner. Cleaned the touchbar flex connectors as well. The board looks...
                                          04-22-2024, 06:45 AM
                                        • Ryan.man
                                          Macbook 2017 with touchbar (A1706) won't turn on after removing the screen
                                          by Ryan.man
                                          Hello everybody! Posting this in hopes somebody has some expertise that leads to a clear path of troubleshooting that saves me a lot of time!

                                          My macbook has the flex cable problem, the one that prevents the screen turning on. Ive been dealing with this for the last 3 years. Last year it went dead and I managed to fix it following youtube tutorials. But my fix wasnt the best, the problem returned a month later. This week, it went dead again. I again tried to fix it.

                                          This time the original cable broke too close to the screen, it can't be fixed without tearing the screen...
                                          02-04-2025, 12:23 PM
                                        • reformatt
                                          Macbook Air M2 A2681 Kernel panics after screen replacement
                                          by reformatt
                                          Just had a customer bring in a M2 MBA A2681 that had had a screen replacement in April at another repairer. Since then, she has been getting intermittent kernel panics. It's an aftermarket screen, and of course it fails in diagnostics as the calibration hasn't been done. The error in the panic log is "No device added after powering on the rails".

                                          It seems the original repairer has swapped the board and the screen to other MAC's, and said that it isn't a screen issue. From what I understand, by doing a quick search on Google, this is in fact a screen issue. The panic relates...
                                          07-31-2025, 08:37 PM
                                        • Loading...
                                        • No more items.
                                        Working...