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  • badguyswant
    Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 12

    #1

    Asus Crosshair

    Hello all i have a crosshair, older board that is just socket am2. it has a very weird problem which is it will not power on at all. there are leds on the board that will illuminate and the lcd screen on the back will light up too. but the power supply isn't coming on and all the fans remain dead. the board has no physical damage with most of the caps being polys. a few tk caps but none are bloated and most are on the bottom of the board. iv also tried two different power supplys that i know work fine. Its looks extremely clean so im confused to why it wont power on at all. any ideas would help me out and ill try to get some pictures up soon. Thank you all!
  • c_hegge
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2009
    • 5219
    • Australia

    #2
    Re: Asus Crosshair

    ASUS boards often just die for no obvious reason. It's called the ASDS (ASUS Sudden Death Syndrome). Could also be the chipset if it's Nvidia (since all Socket AM2 nVidia chipsets had known defects with their soldering and substrate material).
    Last edited by c_hegge; 02-22-2014, 05:18 AM.
    I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

    No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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    • badguyswant
      Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 12

      #3
      Re: Asus Crosshair

      i was thinking about shorting the green and black wire on the powersupply to see if it posts or anything. should i give that a shot?

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      • momaka
        master hoarder
        • May 2008
        • 12160
        • Bulgaria

        #4
        Re: Asus Crosshair

        Originally posted by badguyswant
        i was thinking about shorting the green and black wire on the powersupply to see if it posts or anything. should i give that a shot?
        Yes. And if the fans still don't come on, you have a short circuit on the board. Likely shorted MOSFET, but it could also be a ceramic cap somewhere too. Pictures would help, too. But first, try that test and let us know what happens.

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        • mockingbird
          Badcaps Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 5483

          #5
          Re: Asus Crosshair

          Originally posted by c_hegge
          ASUS boards often just die for no obvious reason. It's called the ASDS (ASUS Sudden Death Syndrome). Could also be the chipset if it's Nvidia (since all Socket AM2 nVidia chipsets had known defects with their soldering and substrate material).
          I just had an Asus P5VD2-MX SE that experienced this. Had the thing sitting around as a spare until I needed it. At first it powered on great, but then froze in the BIOS and would not post again despite all my efforts. Only abnormal thing I can think of was that the VRM low FETs (AP85T03GH) read short drain to source. Out of circuit it wasn't though but the empty drain and source pads still read short on the motherboard. Maybe this is supposed to happen when there is a CPU inserted, or maybe there's a short somewhere else on the board... Could be the VIA P4M890 failing?
          "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

          -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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          • momaka
            master hoarder
            • May 2008
            • 12160
            • Bulgaria

            #6
            Re: Asus Crosshair

            Originally posted by mockingbird
            Only abnormal thing I can think of was that the VRM low FETs (AP85T03GH) read short drain to source. Out of circuit it wasn't though but the empty drain and source pads still read short on the motherboard. Maybe this is supposed to happen when there is a CPU inserted
            Yes, with the CPU in there, the lower MOSFETs will all appear shorted. This is normal though. NB chipset VRM is in the same boat usually. If the board powers, there is no short. If there really was a short and the PSU didn't cut out, you'd see it, alright - probably lots of smoke and maybe even a hole in your board.

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            • mockingbird
              Badcaps Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 5483

              #7
              Re: Asus Crosshair

              Thanks. The board was scavenged earlier today so I'll guess I'll never know. Cheap old little board that maxed out at 2GB, no big loss. Still, I'd like to know for sure what causes "Asus sudden death syndrome"... Somewhere in China, some sadistic Asus sweatshop engineer is wringing his hands with delight.
              "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

              -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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              • badguyswant
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 12

                #8
                Re: Asus Crosshair

                So iv come back to this board to see if theres any hope for it. it will not power on even when the power supply is shorted to be turned on. with the power supply off and i can see the board has power it appears that its either the little audio chip or ehternet chip that is built on the board starts to get fairly hot for some reason. i dont know why this would happen but i have little hope for this board now.

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                • c_hegge
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 5219
                  • Australia

                  #9
                  Re: Asus Crosshair

                  ^
                  I've had that happen before - it's often caused by the Ethernet chip getting taken out by a lightning hit through an ADSL router. The Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP motherboard in my main rig had that happen to it before I got it, and refused to power up. I was able to remove the Ethernet chip with a heat gun and the board came back to life.

                  EDIT: These two are the Ethernet controller ICs on the original Crosshair. If it's one of these two, then yes, you'll have to remove it.
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                  Last edited by c_hegge; 03-31-2014, 04:11 AM.
                  I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                  No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                  Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

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                  • badguyswant
                    Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 12

                    #10
                    Re: Asus Crosshair

                    so ill try removing it with my trusty heat gun and see what happens. im guessing the Ethernet wont work but nothing a Ethernet add on card shouldnt fix. ill report results soon!

                    question only one of them seems to instanly get hot to the touch. should i just remove that one for now?
                    Last edited by badguyswant; 04-01-2014, 03:07 PM. Reason: Question

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                    • momaka
                      master hoarder
                      • May 2008
                      • 12160
                      • Bulgaria

                      #11
                      Re: Asus Crosshair

                      Originally posted by badguyswant
                      question only one of them seems to instanly get hot to the touch. should i just remove that one for now?
                      Yes. Try just the one that gets hot. If problem is not gone, try the other.

                      Also, since you will be using a heatgun, I suggest you make a heat shield around any electrolytic caps in the nearby surrouding area that may get blasted from the hot air. Aluminum foil should work great. That said, don't cover the caps completely as if you are roasting something in the oven. Just put the shield/aluminum foil so that it deflects heat from the heat gun but does not cover the caps directly on top or the sides where they won't get blasted with the heat gun.

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                      • c_hegge
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5219
                        • Australia

                        #12
                        Re: Asus Crosshair

                        ^
                        This. I've successfully removed plenty of Ethernet controller ICs using this method (and successfully brought the boards in question back to life).
                        I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                        No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                        Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                        Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                        • badguyswant
                          Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 12

                          #13
                          Re: Asus Crosshair

                          So i removed the first one but still the same result. ill remove the 2nd one and report the results.

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