how to get rid of wifi mooches

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

so what do you want me to do? sledgehammer my wireless b cards and my emac?

[digge]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

This is what i would do, however I'm not sure its a viable solution in your situation.

I would set up two wireless networks. One b network thats crazy locked down all the possible ways you can, and isolated from your other normal network so that it cant reach your local network, only internet. And a second g/n network thats more openly configured but with WPA 2 with AES encryption for the rest of your computers.

Not sure if only internet access is whats needed for your emac and stuff so might not be a viable solution for your particular situation. Also there is of coarse the cost of doing all this as well.

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

it also was going to have access to the fileserver...

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

sledgehammer my wireless b cards and my emac?

Firmware update to support wpa? My B cards all support it, even the old ass ones. Otherwise get $5 cards from china.

Or you can leave it all open/use wep. Its your shit.

[digge]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

it also was going to have access to the fileserver...

VPN could solve that, but the more security one wants the more complexity it adds. Not really user friendly anymore

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

so what do you want me to do? sledgehammer my wireless b cards and my emac?

That sounds harsh, doesn't it? Think of it, however.

You had a parasite leeching off your network. As you say, it was someone with a low skill level. Consider the implications of it having been someone more skilled - at least aware enough to match network names. You'd still be supporting the parasite.

Now go one step further - a downloader. The latest Harry Potter movie went on sale today. Want to bet a rip of the BluRay disc isn't already available? How about someone with an appetite for music?

How long do you want to depend on the lack of skills of your neighbors?

PlainBill

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

the ssid changed so they would have to have a lucky guess.

it would be one thing if i had oodles of cat 5 laying around. I don't.

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

1000ft is < $50. I can use kismet/airodump and make that lucky guess in seconds. Or just connect by bssid.

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

the ssid changed so they would have to have a lucky guess.

it would be one thing if i had oodles of cat 5 laying around. I don't.

The cost of CAT5 isn't an issue. Running it IS a pain, I will agree.

PlainBill

[Uranium-235]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've been trying to mess with airodump and such but so far I don't have any wifi adapter with packet injection support, except some desktop atheros adapters. all I want is access to my neighbors 2wire incase my charter goes down, which it always does

but my neighbor where I used to live had an open access point with a linksys router, and didn't changer the username/password

I never did anything, but I could of, even though the prick accused me of 'hacking his network'. even though any idiot with a car and a laptop could of driven by at any time and 'hacked his network'. I asked him to secure it but he had an adapter without wpa support and such shotty wep support he never listened to me

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

For the non-believers, here is a news article that illustrates the dangers of not securing your wireless router.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110424/..._wi_fi_warning

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've been trying to mess with airodump and such but so far I don't have any wifi adapter with packet injection support, except some desktop atheros adapters. all I want is access to my neighbors 2wire incase my charter goes down, which it always does

2wire password is a 10 digit number. On wep you can crack in seconds. With WPA its like 4 or 5 days of cranking on a fast GPU (CPU, forget it).

Broadcom will inject, so will most atheros.

[TBoneit]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

My suggestion is to lock any wireless signal down as tight as possible. First, you don't want to be broadcasting your browsing and financial activities over the neighborhood. Second, you don't want to have someone else hogging your bandwidth. Most important, you don't want to get a visit from some policeman asking about the 5 gig of kiddie porn that was uploaded from your IP address.

PlainBill

I also read where someone that wanted to get his neighbor in trouble hacked the WEP and sent threatening email to the VP. That brings down the Feds pretty quick.

[Agent24]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

* Disable SSID broadcast
* Use MAC address filtering

Will prevent access to your network by 95% of morons, however if someone knows how to get past one, they probably know how to circumvent the other as well.

Still don't feel secure? Make sure you're using WPA2 with an insane password - Nobody is going to have much fun attacking your security if your password is A5,6zUWi"Sf,octbe`F7jZ|-.R#*P)XoPlg2dR#8$R#EQl}ah1f#(+aofUSu'wx for example - but you must not use WEP!

Feel really paranoid?

Time to start adding more stuff like RADIUS, SSH, VPN, whatever...


Feeling like being weird? Use something like 802.11a that a lot of cards don't support

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

One of the most elementary steps is to use WPA and a good password. GRC's 'Perfect Password Creator' will generate something that presents a real challenge to any hacker - or even if you are just trying to enter it manually.

PlainBill

[inuyasha.rules]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Radius woldnt be a bad idea. I believe ddwrt supports radius on an open wifi link and im sure the emac supports it as well. But I have a better idea that I have done a time or two. Set up a portal page with a TOS and anchor free that will genorate ad revinue. Then at the bottom make them put in their adress as the conf that they read the TOS. finally see if she really is a hotgirl and of age, buy some trogens (not the virus) and make your move.

And to whoever had the idea to hijack to kittens and flip everything upside down.... f'ing hillarious! Will try sometime

[Phaihn]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Use security and you wouldnt have that problem.

[japlytic]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've seen a few wireless access points for home use which have an internal RADIUS server (one of them allows up to 16 clients).
TKIP is unfamilar to me, but AES is, since I know that AES is a high-grade encryption standard.
Do you know of any public wireless networks which use a RADIUS server?

[shadow]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Ratdude has some 802.11b clients which do not support WPA. That is why he can not do the standard thing and use WPA with a (possibly randomly generated) pre-shared key.

As already mentioned, chaging SSID, making it not broadcast the SSID and using MAC filtering will ultimately stop most people.

If one needs to have better security than that (and one can not use WPA/WPA2) then more elaborate solutions like using VPN and the like for wireless communication is probably more appropraite.

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

for the record:

i ultimately switched it to wpa2 with a broadcasted SSID. linux was not playing well with the hidden network (it made me re-enter it after a long bout of clicks upon every reboot).

for me, consider it a closed thread.