netflix, the network destoryer

[Junk Parts]

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Well I'm with the Verizon cheap plan. I watch the netflix stuff every day. I've only had a very few slow connections to netflix. I just jump out then jump back in and it works fine. I guess all the other people in the area are cussing me using up the band width.

[Phaihn]

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It will snow in Hell before I switch to cable.
As a heads-up, some 780,000 people have departed from Comcast, DirectTV, et al.

In my area, Comcast is unreliable and predatory.
They charge late fees for a service you BUY IN ADVANCE.
My friend pays some $150/month for his bundled all-in-one Comcast baloney.

I run a business on my internet lines, which Comcast demands some $180/month for service.
If they catch you with a server on a non-business line, off you go.
Comcast monitors your downloads and nanny's your content (torrents, etc).

Fuck 'em.

telus does the same thing in canada..

[Phaihn]

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Telus is one of the worst providers you can get in canada.

[Phaihn]

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The caps they want to implement are a bit ridiculous, but the whole thing has been a sham to begin with. They will never implement these caps, the whole thing was to give Canadians the feeling that there is something that they have a say in (Since in reality, they have a say in nothing). Of course they are too stupid to realize this faux controversy.

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[inuyasha.rules]

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ATT sucks balls. I know. I worked there in dsl tech support. Example : one lady had dsl ordered and all set up and had no sync. So she waited an extra 3 weeks thinking ATT was being ATT and dragging their asses till she finally called in to check what was up. I pull up her order and it says pending, open up the status, and find the RT for her area was to be built 2 YEARS LATER!!! Then again my isp here in wyoming sucks too. Fuckers sent me to collections after I told them I wasn't paying $75 a month for a 20k conection. Id say there were 4 days out of 3 months that I actually got decent speeds and pings. The problem isn't netflix. Its the isps running the endpoints. Once I get the money saved up for the install fee im going with a local dsl provider. I personally know the people that manage the local infistructure and I know they provide the speeds they say. I still miss my dual 50meg lines with load balancer I had in phoenix. Cox rockers my boxorz.

[TBoneit]

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I guess I'm lucky where I am. I can go get 101mbps internet for a while now, I seem to remember that FIOS is talking about 150mbps at some point in the future.

Last time I looked FIOS was approx the same price for their 50mbps offering as the cable co.s 101mbps offering.

Three Internet providers available and four TV + OTA available. Ain't competition great!

[NxB]

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So why not screw em and go with 50mbps or 100mbps? For what you're paying I'm sure someone has it, Comcast included.

You may not have fiber locally but AT&T does. They split off to the NSA at a high level so they can capture the most traffic.

[bgavin]

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Actually, no.

My geographic location ties me to PacBell/SBC/AT&T or whatever the name du jour is currently.

The techs are generally rude, and not much help.
Evidently they are forced to work 6 days a week, but paid for 5.
Salaried professionals, and all that.

The network performance is generally sub-par, and prone to overload.
My neighborhood is 60 year old copper, and fiber is not in our future.

I use an ISP in the area who uses AT&T only for the carrier.
I do not have to tolerate their sub-standard customer service and endless bullshit over my internet service.

I have two static IP, one for my business and general internet, the other is a public facing line to my support station.
This allows me to accept incoming NetMeeting clients without interference from a router on the line.
I've not yet found a NetMeeting equivalent for Win7, so I simply don't support Win7.
1-900-CALL-BILL

last night, I was at a buddy's place setting up his Win7 HTPC on his 20mbps Comcast line.
HULU still sux, NetFlix rocks at this data rate.

[NxB]

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180/month for service

Here that buys you a 100mbps+ link from them. AT&T spilts its fiber to the NSA. Everything going through their network the government sees.

I've never heard of them charging much in the way of late fees and I was late all the time. Just don't get the bundle.

Bundle has low grade internet, tv and phone. If you just need internet....

But you are in CA so ISPs probably abound.

[bgavin]

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Tell your customers to buy decent routers and to switch to cable internet.

It will snow in Hell before I switch to cable.
As a heads-up, some 780,000 people have departed from Comcast, DirectTV, et al.

In my area, Comcast is unreliable and predatory.
They charge late fees for a service you BUY IN ADVANCE.
My friend pays some $150/month for his bundled all-in-one Comcast baloney.

I run a business on my internet lines, which Comcast demands some $180/month for service.
If they catch you with a server on a non-business line, off you go.
Comcast monitors your downloads and nanny's your content (torrents, etc).

Fuck 'em.

[NxB]

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Yes 20mbps is slow when you have had moar.

[mockingbird]

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Yea, I think they were line of sight. Yes, 20mbps? Not quite, like I said, something more like low-mid range DSL, let's say 4-5 MBPS IIRC which is still splenty fast. 20MBPS is slow for you!? That's 2.5 MegaByte/sec download speed!

[NxB]

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Dialup is not the end of the world if you're just browsing... Too bad fast internet has spoiled me.

Sticking wimax or 5ghz antennas onto the cell towers is probably the cheapest solution. Too bad the companies charge exorbitant rent.

the tower has to be within a certain distance - keep in mind this is not SATELLITE internet)

Line of sight/point to point link? We have a few of these here but its expensive and not that fast, maybe 20mbps(ish). Towerstream comes to mind.

They have dishes for many frequencies, you can get one for 802.11. I think they top out at 32dbi. 5ghz radios will do 150mbps so if those get deployed by someone it would be great.

[mockingbird]

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No, Tony Clement "overruled" the CRTC. But the CRTC will hold a "hearing" in a little bit. Like I said, faux controversy. Canadians are being robbed blind by the government unions and banks, and they're worrying over this nonsense.

Bell doesn't own UUNET (Or maybe Bell Nexxia does count as UUNET here, I'm not sure), and they can't impose these types of caps on their backbone, so what people don't realize is that as long as there is competing technologies, this "cap" will be a temporary slight hinderance.

Keep in mind, internet over the power lines and wireless internet are plausible. There already exist cellular towers, it would be trivial to implement wireless internet over these towers. In 2004 I tested such a connection for a customer (Where they come and mount a satellite on the building - the tower has to be within a certain distance - keep in mind this is not SATELLITE internet) and the speeds were comparable to low-mid range DSL and the latency was more than sufficient for the likes of me.

I used to use dial-up back in the day, and on a clean connection, I got on average of 90-120ms pings which was good enough for me for gaming.

[NxB]

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The caps are in. They are TRYING to get them overturned. I have a feeling they will fail.

[Trinite]

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Never had issues with Comcast, but AT&T on the other hand just seems to be going downhill across the board.

[mockingbird]

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The caps they want to implement are a bit ridiculous, but the whole thing has been a sham to begin with. They will never implement these caps, the whole thing was to give Canadians the feeling that there is something that they have a say in (Since in reality, they have a say in nothing). Of course they are too stupid to realize this faux controversy.

[NxB]

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You're using custom boards? The only way to upgrade ram AFAIK is some very skillful microsoldering.

Regular routers with ram chips soldered in. Development boards are too expensive. I think 2 are 16mb (up from 8) and one is 64mb up from 16.

I only needed a microscope on the 64mb one because it had 2 chips.

Factory firmware is buggy but usually good enough if you update to the latest. Most don't do that unfortunately.

ATT can provide at least gigabit uplinks for sure if you pay through the nose. They just don't want to service small business nor consumers with anything decent.

Their support is a joke even with commercial jobs. Simple questions are met with them trying to send you to outsourced AT&T connectech which is all contractors for FE's and all india for phone support.

Canada is another story with the regulatory decision reinforcing Bell Canada's monopoly. Now everyone pays higher rates and is usage capped unless something has changed very very recently. Its like a whole country is being swindled. Sure they can install RDSLAMS now, they have like 5000% profit.

[mockingbird]

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The old routers are about 200mhz. They are limited more by ram than anything else. I have not seen high cpu loads on any of my 43xx stuff. I've upgraded the ram on the 8mb ram units and they are now much better in terms of handling many connections, etc.

You're using custom boards? The only way to upgrade ram AFAIK is some very skillful microsoldering.

You're right, RAM is also a big factor, but what the router is running is also important. Many of the factory firmwares are buggy.

The backbone is just fine, its the last mile that really matters, at least to end users. ISPs crying about running out of bandwith either don't want to pay to upgrade their links TO the backbone or have downstream issues at CMTS/DSLAM, etc.

Bell Canada has been pretty good recently on installing RDSLAMS (Remote DSLAMS). I begged them to do it in '04, but they finally got around to it. Before ADSL2 I remember some of the modems had the ability to check SNR. In any case, if what you say is true, that's pretty pathetic of ATT. But then again, I'm not surprised America is becoming the same backwater it was before WWII.

[NxB]

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I think there is a real need for a caching multi-media server.

ISP I know tried this. Not just for multimedia but for caching in general. They were trying to be a cheapskate. Didn't work so well and was(is) a big headache.

Couple this wit the probability that the routers that most people buy are Chinese made garbage with substandard capacitors.

The old routers are about 200mhz. They are limited more by ram than anything else. I have not seen high cpu loads on any of my 43xx stuff. I've upgraded the ram on the 8mb ram units and they are now much better in terms of handling many connections, etc.

It is a myth that the US has an inferior bandwidth backbone than Europe or China...

The backbone is just fine, its the last mile that really matters, at least to end users. ISPs crying about running out of bandwith either don't want to pay to upgrade their links TO the backbone or have downstream issues at CMTS/DSLAM, etc.

Why? They were cheap.