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  • jarsudsco
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    • Mar 2014
    • 28
    • UK

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    Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

    I'm a newbie here and a trying to get back into repairing things rather than binning them. So please bear with my first attempt at posting...

    This is a board from a Dell E173FPf 17" monitor. I've not been able to find a service manual or schematic online.

    It's original fault was simply completely dead. There were no obvious burned-out components or bulging caps so I decided to try the heavier silicon stuff! I removed Q850 marked '27611' a MOSFET I believe ('A' in my component side image) and D854 marked 'SRF10-10' - a Schottky Barrier Rectifier (B).

    With a DMM the MOSFET seemed to be ok (I need to find a more thorough guide to testing MOSFET's), but the Schottky diode pair read O/C across both legs. In my "spares" collection I found another Schottky diode pair - an S16C40C, somewhat under-specced compared to the original but I thought I would try it just to see if I got anywhere. I resoldered the MOSFET and my alternative Schottky diodes.

    Much to my surprise, the power LED on the monitor now flashed green/yellow - apparently classic Dell for PSU problem - but at least there was *some* power now. (I also discovered the original SRF10-10 seems to have a pretty poor reputation, so I'll look for a more compatible alternative.)

    So, the situation now:

    Voltage across C854 (F), main capacitor hot side - 333V stable (UK mains, so 240V in)
    Voltage across C862, C864 and C869 (C, D and E), what I take to be the main output caps - all around 4V - unstable, varying by +/- 1-2V

    I dug out my old scope and luckily it still worked. Wasn't sure where to start so tried across the secondary (or could be two secondaries in parallel?) of the main transformer T850 (G).

    The scope showed regular short bursts of voltage, maybe 2-3 bursts per second, each burst a short decaying roughly sinusoidal voltage. I have a very short avi of the trace, if I can't post that here, I'll try and get a still of the relevant frame.

    I'm wondering if it might just be my poorly matched Schottky diodes but my instinct says look elsewhere, I'm just not sure where next.

    Fascinating though this new-fangled stuff is, linear PSU's where a helluva-lot easier to troubleshoot! But my aim is to learn...

    Any suggestions would be most welcome.


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  • Rtech
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    • Jul 2010
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    Re: Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

    Q850 is...AP2761I-A,N CH,650v,10A..mosfet testing this may help !!
    http://www.4qdtec.com/mostest.html
    Most problems I have had with these,are usually caused by U850 itself,and its associated components.D854 can also go short cct,Perhaps the first step maybe to change the start up cap for U850 C857

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    • jarsudsco
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      • Mar 2014
      • 28
      • UK

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      Re: Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

      @Rtech - thank you for your reply.

      The mosfet testing guide you referred to had basically the same info in it I'd found previously but it was good to have it reinforced so thanks for the link.

      Q850 passed the test from the link you suggested so it went back on the board. I replaced C857 although the original did register a value of close enough to it's stated value of 10uF not to worry about it, so I suspect it was ok.

      I double checked for bad/dry joints and even retouched the solder on U850 just in case.

      The voltages and scope-traces remained the same so I'm thinking it might be U850 itself as you also suggested. I've ordered a replacement and it will probably take a while to get to me so in the meantime any other suggestions as to how to proceed would be welcome - any alternative suggestions for the SRF10-10 would be good too.

      Many thanks again,

      - jarsudsco

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      • Rtech
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        • Jul 2010
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        Re: Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

        You are ptobably correct in replacing the U850,hopefully it is just that which has failed,As Far as the Schottky goes.Any designated one woild probably do, that is 10Amps 100v min.
        I have some new MBR10100CT ones, more than i will use, and would happily stick one in an envelope for you, if you PM me your address, no charge.I am from South Shields originally.

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        • jarsudsco
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          • Mar 2014
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          @Rtech

          Wow, that's very kind of you to offer.

          A sand-dancer eh... I'm from just down the road in Jarrow.

          I'll pm you - that'll save me scouring data sheets this afternoon

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          • jarsudsco
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            • Mar 2014
            • 28
            • UK

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            Re: Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

            Just an update to say success! The replacement PWM controller chip arrived in today's post and after some very fiddly de-soldering and resoldering the monitor is up an running again.

            @Rtech - You were spot on. Thank you again for the advice and the Schottky diodes.

            Inspired by today's result, I'm now waiting eagerly for some other replacement components to arrive.

            - jarsudsco

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            • Rtech
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              • Jul 2010
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              Re: Dell E173FPf partly resurrected

              It does feel good, when a plan comes together >>

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