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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    This is what I come up with from the pictures.
    Thanks pal, I wish I had your skills but I'm afraid I can't even read your drawing with alone trace it from a photograph. Not much of a tech guy just take out put back?? I am hoping for a walk me through on this otherwise it will end up in the garabage??

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    By the way, what is this component? I cannot see it on the top side.
    That component is a diode ZD 201 The voltage across it is jumpy and less than a volt
    Last edited by davg; 09-13-2012, 06:25 AM.

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    It does not make sense yet. Can you see any voltage on C209? I am tracing the board right now.
    Please these two test points.
    The voltage on C209 is jumping from .3 to .6??
    The resistance between these two points is .767K
    Last edited by davg; 09-13-2012, 06:26 AM.

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    This is what I come up with from the pictures.
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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    By the way, what is this component? I cannot see it on the top side.
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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    It does not make sense yet. Can you see any voltage on C209? I am tracing the board right now.
    Please these two test points.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by budm; 09-12-2012, 07:15 PM.

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    Jumpers are put back in right?
    correct

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Jumpers are put back in right?

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    OK, Please look at post 14, since the the power supply will run the minute you plug it into the outlet, you can power up the board by itself without having any board attached to it, check and see if you do have 12~18V at the test point as shown in post 14 using the ground point as shown. Just be careful not to touch anything in the primary side such as the traces or the heat sink.
    zero voltage recorded at the test point using the negative side of c207.

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    OK, Please look at post 14, since the the power supply will run the minute you plug it into the outlet, you can power up the board by itself without having any board attached to it, check and see if you do have 12~18V at the test point as shown in post 14 using the ground point as shown. Just be careful not to touch anything in the primary side such as the traces or the heat sink.

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    I believe you are reading 56V is because you are using the chassis ground as a ground point. When you work on the Primary (HOT SIDE) you have to use the negative leg of the LARGE DC filter cap in the PRIMARY side as the circuit ground point.
    Thanks budm you are right on my ground point. I did not know that. The reading using the negative leg (the grey side) of the large cap is zero both ends of the resistor. With one leg on the positive side of the large cap I am reading 165 volts on both ends of the resistor?
    Last edited by davg; 09-12-2012, 04:32 PM.

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    I believe you are reading 56V is because you are using the chassis ground as a ground point. When you work on the Primary (HOT SIDE) you have to use the negative leg of the LARGE DC filter cap in the PRIMARY side as the circuit ground point.

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    I measured the resistance on the start up resistor in circuit with power off and I am getting .01 ohms. The voltage at either end is 56 volts dc with power on from what I read this is not normal. Am I looking at the wrong thing? Any comments welcome.
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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    OK, first check the black rectangular fuse which is for the main board, if it checks OK, then you can do one of two things:
    1) Disconnect the two ends of the jumper wires which feed the B+ to the Inverter circuits and see if the voltage becomes steady and the power LED will now come on. If it does not, then see step 2. If it does, then you may have shorted MOSFETS.

    2) Try new start-up cap to see if the the voltage will be steady.

    I will you how to check and see if the MOSFET's are shorted out or not later.

    See attached pictures.
    The fuse checks OK .01 ohms. removed the two jumper ends voltage still not stable and still no led. replaced cap with 47uf @ 25volts still no change. What about that start resistor? How can I check it?
    Last edited by davg; 09-12-2012, 06:02 AM.

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    That will be fine for now.

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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    OK, first check the black rectangular fuse which is for the main board, if it checks OK, then you can do one of two things:
    1) Disconnect the two ends of the jumper wires which feed the B+ to the Inverter circuits and see if the voltage becomes steady and the power LED will now come on. If it does not, then see step 2. If it does, then you may have shorted MOSFETS.

    2) Try new start-up cap to see if the the voltage will be steady.

    I will you how to check and see if the MOSFET's are shorted out or not later.

    See attached pictures.
    Thanks budm will give it a try in the morning and post results. The start-up cap is 47uf@35 volts I don't have one I do have a 47uf@50 volts. What would be a viable substitute?

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  • budm
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    OK, first check the black rectangular fuse which is for the main board, if it checks OK, then you can do one of two things:
    1) Disconnect the two ends of the jumper wires which feed the B+ to the Inverter circuits and see if the voltage becomes steady and the power LED will now come on. If it does not, then see step 2. If it does, then you may have shorted MOSFETS.

    2) Try new start-up cap to see if the the voltage will be steady.

    I will you how to check and see if the MOSFET's are shorted out or not later.

    See attached pictures.
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  • davg
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by budm
    Do you hear ticking from the transformer? Next thing to check will be the 2 8-pin MOSFETs in the inverter section to see if they are shorted or not, P/N?
    no ticking from the transformer where can one find the specs on these 8 pin mosfets?

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  • retiredcaps
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by jetadm123
    Also check the black square 3.15A fuse in the lower left of your board. Next to jumper wire JP202.
    And course, I always miss the fuse on the boards when it is not in front of me.

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  • retiredcaps
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    Re: Gateway black screen

    Originally posted by davg
    can't get a reading jumping from 5 to 11 volts
    Possible problems with a fluctuating voltage on the startup cap.

    1) the startup cap is bad
    2) the SMPS IC is bad
    3) something is shorted on the output side like a diode

    Checking for shorted diodes is the easiest followed up changing the startup cap.

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