Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun?

**Big Pope** · 02-21-2007, 03:24 AM

This is an accident stroy. Early of February 2007, i searched this Japanese web site (http://capacitor.web.fc2.com) relatived many informations about caps brand in the market. This is a very interesting site and nice.

When i viewed the king of badcaps brand "GSC", i am surprising! Evercon is the changed name of GSC.

This is my first surprising of this matter.

Here is the photos and link.

http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/fghij.html#gsc
http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/abcde.html#evercon

Japanese discovered Evercon's internal documents showed the address, telephone and fax numbers are exactly same as GSC. Besides, they want to conceal all the histroy of GSC and Evercon. Time of appear in market for "Evercon" brand is follow the closed time of GSC.

**Big Pope** · 02-21-2007, 03:27 AM

This is a recently L775 mothbaord from Asrock, model: ConRoe865. I bought this mothbaord on end of January 2007, many Evercon caps on this mothbaord, and i have started to doubt it is very like GSC, especially series number "LE". It is really very very like GSC style. I take a photo here.

**Big Pope** · 02-21-2007, 03:33 AM

The Japanese web site proved Evercon = GSC, it is true. Then, i remember that i have made a thread (http://capsmod.net/forum/viewthr ... amp;extra=page%3D1) in previous period. That mothbaord have some Evercon and SACON.

I am surprising that SACON seems come from same factory of Evercon! This is my second surprising. Photos are here.

**Big Pope** · 02-21-2007, 03:37 AM

Last week, i received a new latest AM2 mothbaord (ATI 690G chipset). This is Jetway OEM M2A692-GHG. I found a new brand "apsun" on this motherboard, it is very very like SACON and Evercon!!

This is my third surprising. Now, we don't need to see the brand name of silver caps first. We see the lot number of "apsun" and "Evercon"........... "apsun" is E60D and "Evercon" is E60A", how come!! How to explain and how to trust them are not come from same factory?! Any comments, guys?

I think i am the first person to point out this matter in the world at this moment.

**willawake** · 02-21-2007, 04:55 AM

great research Joe!

i was interested to know connection between http://www.gensales.com.tw/ and GSC but indeed GSC was always Gen Sales Electronic Co. Looks like they were selling GSC and Evercon side by side for a while.

what is interesting about the gensales.com.tw site and also that now gsc-cap.com.tw is not working any more is that on gensales they show specification sheet for capacitor but there is no brand on the sheet just LF series or LE series etc.

from what you said looks like they will offer the capacitors with different brands but same capacitor.....

**gonzo0815** · 02-21-2007, 06:37 AM

The Asrock Conrohe945 is equiped with Evercon too (if not all new Asrock boards are full of them), so may be we will see the whole story repeat again lol.
May be, they can make more durable caps today, but i have some doubths atm.

**Big Pope** · 02-21-2007, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willawake

great research Joe!

i was interested to know connection between http://www.gensales.com.tw/ and GSC but indeed GSC was always Gen Sales Electronic Co. Looks like they were selling GSC and Evercon side by side for a while.

what is interesting about the gensales.com.tw site and also that now gsc-cap.com.tw is not working any more is that on gensales they show specification sheet for capacitor but there is no brand on the sheet just LF series or LE series etc.

from what you said looks like they will offer the capacitors with different brands but same capacitor.....

Thanks, willawakw.

Very intresting and a good evidence!!

**PeteS in CA** · 02-21-2007, 09:35 AM

There's a strange appropriate symmetry in the name "Evercon".

**Per Hansson** · 02-21-2007, 01:53 PM

Very nice find Big Pope!!!

And just wow, PeteS, nice one!

Just to help clarify it for some people not speaking native English, the name Evercon could be broken down into "ever" as in forever and "con" as in to fool someone...

I'm sure it was not by mistake

**gonzo0815** · 02-21-2007, 02:07 PM

rofl, i have deciphered the "Ever" just by myself, but i missed the con and it`s meaning..... it seems that they do not even hide their mission...

nsx29 · 02-21-2007, 04:20 PM

I got few of these "NEW" Evercon on my video card - Gigabyte 7300GT. These have 100uf 10V capacities. I wonder if they are any harm. It's odd to have these small caps there. It's right beside the video chipset so it's hot there. Are they some sort of filter cap? There are plenty large ones already. Wat's the deal with gigabyte sqeezing 3 of these garbage.

http://product.pcpop.com/000030463/P...000199146.html

Unfortunately, those 3 little caps are not nichicons in my case.

**Tom41** · 02-22-2007, 03:44 PM

Re: the APSUN caps. Looking at the logo, are you sure it's not CAPSUN? The large arc going round looks almost like it's meant to be a C as part of the name, and indeed I've seen similar designs on many other things.

**davmax** · 02-22-2007, 06:23 PM

Whilst it sis perhaps a big shock to discover GSC return as a new brand it is entirely possible that they now use the correct electrolyte and the caps are greatly improved. No company wanting to remain in business would make a fresh start with the same problem. Food for thought and time will tell.

**kc8adu** · 02-22-2007, 09:23 PM

since i have seen plenty of popped evercon i think what was posted earlier is correct.
everCON.

**japlytic** · 02-23-2007, 12:06 AM

This Japanese website would be a great help to identifying unknown capacitor brands, not to mention the bad ones!

**Topcat** · 02-23-2007, 02:29 AM

GSC has such a bad reputation associated with it, what other alternative would they really have but to change the name.... LOL... Although, a new name doesn't change what's inside.

Excellent read Joe, thanks for posting that!

**Big Pope** · 02-23-2007, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom41

Re: the APSUN caps. Looking at the logo, are you sure it's not CAPSUN? The large arc going round looks almost like it's meant to be a C as part of the name, and indeed I've seen similar designs on many other things.

Yes, Capsun is correct, not apsun.

Thanks you for your correction, details --> http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/special2.html

**willawake** · 02-23-2007, 04:59 AM

there is a Meditech Partinity Conroe 570SLI Magic with capsun, samyoung, sacon on this korean page
http://www.gameshot.net/common/con_v...ntra_pg=3&pg=1

also lelon OCRZ polymer...(all the kids will mistake them for chemicon with same colors....)

**gonzo0815** · 02-23-2007, 10:17 AM

Well, i do not belive that it`s only the elektrolyt.
From my point of view it depends on the purity and quality of the raw materials and the ability to test and verify this.
And of course, some QS testing is needed too.
Now, all this can not be done for free, thus it is not possible to make good caps for nothing.
And as we see, those Evercon are only used by companies, where it is obviousely, that they have to fight for each cent (and sometimes even Asus bosses needs a new car....)
For me, this is not an indicator for new good quality caps from Evercon.

I think, as long as there is the urgend need of some companies for capacitors cheap and bad as one could expect, sutch caps like Fuhiyyu and GSC will always be there.
May be the people in charge are knowing this, and may be they used the name Evercon for an purpose.
There are many product, withouth any purpose, but cheap. And thats thereason why theyre produced and marketed, just for the bin.

**Per Hansson** · 02-23-2007, 10:40 AM

Well, as we found out in this thread some companies will just keep changing names to sell their crap, referring to the "Deer" powersupply PCB's....

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1326

02-21-2007, 06:37 AM	#6
gonzo0815 Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 City & State: Germany Posts: 1,595	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? The Asrock Conrohe945 is equiped with Evercon too (if not all new Asrock boards are full of them), so may be we will see the whole story repeat again lol. May be, they can make more durable caps today, but i have some doubths atm.

02-21-2007, 09:35 AM	#8
PeteS in CA Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: San Jose, CA My Country: USA, Unsure of Planet Line Voltage: 120VAC, 60Hz & 115VAC, 400Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 3,466	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? There's a strange appropriate symmetry in the name "Evercon". __________________ PeteS in CA Power Supplies should be boring: No loud noises, no bright flashes, and no bad smells. ************************** To kill personal responsibility, initiative or success, punish it by taxing it. To encourage irresponsibility, improvidence, dependence and failure, reward it by subsidizing it. ************************** Anti-Covid-Vaxxer pig crap claim/prediction, Doctor: Heart Failure from mRNA Jabs "Will Kill Most People" \| Principia Scientific Intl. ; Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Warns COVID-19 Jab Injuries and Deaths Will Soon "Collapse Our Health System" (VIDEO) ; Fully Vaxxed May 2021; Since that time I've done 10 5Ks, 1 8K, 8 10Ks, and 4 half marathons

02-21-2007, 01:53 PM	#9
Per Hansson Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 City & State: ---- My Country: Sweden Line Voltage: 230v 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 5,378	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? Very nice find Big Pope!!! And just wow, PeteS, nice one! Just to help clarify it for some people not speaking native English, the name Evercon could be broken down into "ever" as in forever and "con" as in to fool someone... I'm sure it was not by mistake

02-21-2007, 02:07 PM	#10
gonzo0815 Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 City & State: Germany Posts: 1,595	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? rofl, i have deciphered the "Ever" just by myself, but i missed the con and it`s meaning..... it seems that they do not even hide their mission...

02-21-2007, 04:20 PM	#11
nsx29 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 City & State: CANADA Posts: 26	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? I got few of these "NEW" Evercon on my video card - Gigabyte 7300GT. These have 100uf 10V capacities. I wonder if they are any harm. It's odd to have these small caps there. It's right beside the video chipset so it's hot there. Are they some sort of filter cap? There are plenty large ones already. Wat's the deal with gigabyte sqeezing 3 of these garbage. http://product.pcpop.com/000030463/P...000199146.html Unfortunately, those 3 little caps are not nichicons in my case.

02-22-2007, 03:44 PM	#12
Tom41 Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 City & State: Leeds My Country: England Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz Posts: 307	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? Re: the APSUN caps. Looking at the logo, are you sure it's not CAPSUN? The large arc going round looks almost like it's meant to be a C as part of the name, and indeed I've seen similar designs on many other things.

02-22-2007, 06:23 PM	#13
davmax Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 City & State: Perth Western Australia Posts: 886	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? Whilst it sis perhaps a big shock to discover GSC return as a new brand it is entirely possible that they now use the correct electrolyte and the caps are greatly improved. No company wanting to remain in business would make a fresh start with the same problem. Food for thought and time will tell. __________________ Gigabyte EP45-DS3L Ultra Reliable (Power saver) Intel E8400 (3000Mhz) Bios temps. 4096Mb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair XMS2 4-4-4-12 160Gb WD SATAII Server grade Nvidia 8500GT 256Mb 160Gb WD eSATAII Server grade for backup. Samsung 18x DVD writer Pioneer 16x DVD writer + 6x Dual layer 33 way card reader Windows XP Pro SP3 Thermaltake Matrix case with 430W Silent Power 17" Benq FP737s LCD monitor HP Officejet Pro K5300 with refillable tanks

02-22-2007, 09:23 PM	#14
kc8adu Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 City & State: dayton ohio My Country: U.S.A! Line Voltage: 12vdc,120/240vac,480vac 3ph on my bench I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 8,297	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? since i have seen plenty of popped evercon i think what was posted earlier is correct. everCON.

02-23-2007, 12:06 AM	#15
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02-23-2007, 02:29 AM	#16
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02-23-2007, 04:59 AM	#18
willawake Super Modulator Join Date: Nov 2003 City & State: Αθήνα Posts: 8,006	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? there is a Meditech Partinity Conroe 570SLI Magic with capsun, samyoung, sacon on this korean page http://www.gameshot.net/common/con_v...ntra_pg=3&pg=1 also lelon OCRZ polymer...(all the kids will mistake them for chemicon with same colors....)

02-23-2007, 10:17 AM	#19
gonzo0815 Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 City & State: Germany Posts: 1,595	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? Well, i do not belive that it`s only the elektrolyt. From my point of view it depends on the purity and quality of the raw materials and the ability to test and verify this. And of course, some QS testing is needed too. Now, all this can not be done for free, thus it is not possible to make good caps for nothing. And as we see, those Evercon are only used by companies, where it is obviousely, that they have to fight for each cent (and sometimes even Asus bosses needs a new car....) For me, this is not an indicator for new good quality caps from Evercon. I think, as long as there is the urgend need of some companies for capacitors cheap and bad as one could expect, sutch caps like Fuhiyyu and GSC will always be there. May be the people in charge are knowing this, and may be they used the name Evercon for an purpose. There are many product, withouth any purpose, but cheap. And thats thereason why theyre produced and marketed, just for the bin.

02-23-2007, 10:40 AM	#20
Per Hansson Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 City & State: ---- My Country: Sweden Line Voltage: 230v 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 5,378	Re: Big Shock! GSC Returned!! GSC=Evercon=SACON=apsun? Well, as we found out in this thread some companies will just keep changing names to sell their crap, referring to the "Deer" powersupply PCB's.... http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1326

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