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  • nomoresonys
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    • Jan 2013
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    #1

    sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

    have 66 volts off and 176 volts on, for bl on, thanks for any ideas.
    Last edited by nomoresonys; 09-11-2013, 09:21 PM.
  • budm
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    • Feb 2010
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    #2
    Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

    BL_ON is 66 volts off and 176 volts on. Are you sure? Meter's battery is good? What do you use for Ground ref? Any pictures? What is it not doing?
    Training manual:
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    Last edited by budm; 09-11-2013, 09:33 PM.
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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    • nomoresonys
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      #3
      Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

      tested more, bl-dim starts about 18 v and keeps going up. bl on goes wild from.465 to 186 volts, that is with av board disconected and with power off,

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      • nomoresonys
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        #4
        Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

        Originally posted by budm
        BL_ON is 66 volts off and 176 volts on. Are you sure? Meter's battery is good? What do you use for Ground ref? Any pictures? What is it not doing?
        Training manual:
        battery is good get proper readings from other connectors, but looks like at least those 2 on cn303 are not right, thanks.

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        • budm
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          #5
          Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

          There is nothing on the main board that can generate that much voltage.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • nomoresonys
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            #6
            Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

            I don't have a digital camera for pics.

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            • budm
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              #7
              Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

              That much voltage would have blown out just about all the ICs on the boards. You are not missing the decimal point on the meter?
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              • nomoresonys
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                #8
                Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                Originally posted by budm
                There is nothing on the main board that can generate that much voltage.
                ok, I thought it seemed way too high, funny this meter reads the other pins correctly.

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                • budm
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                  • Feb 2010
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                  #9
                  Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                  Try reading 1.5V and 9V battery. what you are reporting are impossible.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • nomoresonys
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                    #10
                    Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                    this meter is measuring mvs and sometimes v, I have it on dc auto.

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                    • nomoresonys
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                      #11
                      Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                      Originally posted by budm
                      Try reading 1.5V and 9V battery. what you are reporting are impossible.
                      battery is 1.6v

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                      • budm
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                        #12
                        Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                        So it is varying when measure the battery too? So it is 66mV = .066V. Better get better meter. When meter battery runs low, the readout will show higher reading than it should be. Can't you put it in 20V range instead of auto range?
                        Last edited by budm; 09-11-2013, 10:02 PM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                        Comment

                        • nomoresonys
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                          #13
                          Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                          Originally posted by budm
                          So it is varying when measure the battery too? So it is 66mV = .066V. Better get better meter. When meter battery runs low, the readout will show higher reading than it should be. Can't you put it in 20V range instead of auto range?
                          no its gdt-3200 auto range only, no manual settings.

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                          • budm
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                            #14
                            Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                            Well, we need to get correct reading first. right now those readings are way off base.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • nomoresonys
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                              #15
                              Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                              i'll try plugging up the av board to see if it reads better.

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                              • budm
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                                #16
                                Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                                You should download that training manual. By the way, I still do not know what the TV is not doing.
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                Comment

                                • nomoresonys
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                                  • Jan 2013
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                                  #17
                                  Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                                  ok, will do, this meter is a little strange, some it reads in volts the others in mv, plugged in the av board, with power off, sgnd =0, BL DIM=155MV, BL ON=73MV, DET=2.3MV, power on sgnd=18.7mv, bldim=3.31v, blon=182mv, det=3.27v.

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                                  • nomoresonys
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                                    #18
                                    Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                                    Originally posted by budm
                                    You should download that training manual. By the way, I still do not know what the TV is not doing.
                                    tv is not turning all the way on, it gets steady green light, no picture or sound, if unplug cn303 backlights come on with the multi line then solid screen test pattern loop, I think this is protection mode but not sure, thanks for help.

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                                    • nomoresonys
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                                      #19
                                      Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                                      Originally posted by nomoresonys
                                      tv is not turning all the way on, it gets steady green light, no picture or sound, if unplug cn303 backlights come on with the multi line then solid screen test pattern loop, I think this is protection mode but not sure, thanks for help.
                                      followed testing in manual for 301, says replace av board, this board is the third one shop jimmy sent me, and they swore up and down they were all good, I don't know what to think.

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                                      • nomoresonys
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                                        #20
                                        Re: sony kdl46s4100, 66 volts at bl on with tv off

                                        Originally posted by nomoresonys
                                        followed testing in manual for 301, says replace av board, this board is the third one shop jimmy sent me, and they swore up and down they were all good, I don't know what to think.
                                        but I did see where other folks were having the same problem and a good av board fixed it.

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