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  • Curious.George
    Badcaps Legend
    • Nov 2011
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    Symantec De-trust

    Any IT techs shed light on how your organizations are handling the detrusting of Symantec? Or, are you just hoping the normal update process takes care of it?
  • stj
    Great Sage 齊天大聖
    • Dec 2009
    • 30919
    • Albion

    #2
    Re: Symantec De-trust

    ??

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    • dmill89
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      • Dec 2011
      • 2531
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Symantec De-trust

      Not much impact for us, we ditched all Symantec products years ago and have never used them for our own certs, as for outside websites using Symantec certs our internet is so locked down so much there likely won't be much affect there either (most employees don't even have internet access and those that do can only get to a limited number of "whitelisted" sites).

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      • Curious.George
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        • Nov 2011
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        Re: Symantec De-trust

        Originally posted by dmill89
        Not much impact for us, we ditched all Symantec products years ago and have never used them for our own certs, as for outside websites using Symantec certs our internet is so locked down so much there likely won't be much affect there either (most employees don't even have internet access and those that do can only get to a limited number of "whitelisted" sites).
        I have a few apps that are signed with Symantec in the certification chain. I'm hesitant to update the local certificate store for fear of bringing that "distrust" into the machine "forever".

        While I know the app is genuine (i.e., I don't need to verify the signature to assure myself of its authenticity) *it* wants to check itself during the installation. Because the chain is broken, the installer refuses to start...

        I suppose I could install the certificate, run the installer, let it verify its own integrity... and then back the certificate OUT -- leaving a note to myself to remember to do this, again, if I ever need to reinstall the app!

        (sigh) What a PITA (though, presumably, it is doing EXACTLY what it was intended to do! -- makes you wonder what those folks did to incur this sort of sanction!)

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        • Topcat
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          • Oct 2003
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          #5
          Re: Symantec De-trust

          First I've heard of this.....but I've been doing yard work the last week... What happened?
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          • TechGeek
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            • Jan 2015
            • 2254
            • USA

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            Re: Symantec De-trust

            Following... yes, what happened?
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            • dmill89
              Badcaps Legend
              • Dec 2011
              • 2531
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Symantec De-trust

              Originally posted by Topcat
              First I've heard of this.....but I've been doing yard work the last week... What happened?
              Several browsers (notably recent versions of Chrome and Firefox) are no longer trusting Symantec certs, (It isn't really new but not highly publicized either):

              https://www.trustzone.com/are-you-re...ntec-distrust/

              https://scotthelme.co.uk/are-you-rea...ntec-distrust/

              https://security.googleblog.com/2018...immediate.html

              https://blog.mozilla.org/security/20...-certificates/

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              • stj
                Great Sage 齊天大聖
                • Dec 2009
                • 30919
                • Albion

                #8
                Re: Symantec De-trust

                that wouldnt be a problem if you could over-ride it, but i dont think you can - it creates a great censorship mechanism for browser companys!

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                • Curious.George
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                  • Nov 2011
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                  Re: Symantec De-trust

                  Originally posted by stj
                  that wouldnt be a problem if you could over-ride it, but i dont think you can - it creates a great censorship mechanism for browser companys!
                  The whole point of authentication mechanisms is to vouch for an entities identity. If you allow distrust into the mix, then it collapses. This puts pressure on folks to avoid "untrustworthy" CAs.

                  The fact that it isn't a decision taken by just ONE party makes it "fair".

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                  • stj
                    Great Sage 齊天大聖
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 30919
                    • Albion

                    #10
                    Re: Symantec De-trust

                    on the other hand,
                    once you have browsers enforcing "HTTPS only" and a few frankly questionable organisations issuing the certs,
                    you have a fucked situation where you cant host your own site unless they rubber-stamp it with their aproval.

                    how very fucking communist!

                    what a great way to make political websites vanish!

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                    • Curious.George
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                      • Nov 2011
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                      Re: Symantec De-trust

                      Originally posted by stj
                      on the other hand,
                      once you have browsers enforcing "HTTPS only" and a few frankly questionable organisations issuing the certs,
                      you have a fucked situation where you cant host your own site unless they rubber-stamp it with their aproval.
                      The certificates apply to ALL authentication. An OS that refuses to run unsigned binaries would effectively prevent "foreign" applications from being hosted on those platforms (can you spell iPhone?)

                      The "great equalizer" is that CAs that even try to go that route could just as easily be de-trusted. Then, all of the apps/sites that they were hoping to endorse would simultaneously feel the same kiss of death they may have been "trying" to impose on others.

                      Ooops!

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