CF-25 toughbook CPU question

[gdement]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Panasonic might have a manual giving a complete procedure for how to get everything installed. I know that was the case with Compaq when I was dealing with similar issues.

[370forlife]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Well this is interesting.
During the partitioning and formatting stage in the NT installer it could only see 8Gb of disk space but I just tried partitioning and formatting using the Windows 2000 installer and not only did it format fine but it also saw all 10Gb of space.
>:/
It's nice to see that (at least the installer) Windows 2000 will use the whole drive however like mentioned above, this toughbook is a little underpowered for Win2k.
I'll try installing NT and see what happens.

I had this same problem installing NT workstation on a Virtual Machine. You have to make one partition like 2gb in size, install it on that, then format the rest of the hard drive.

[pentium]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Panasonic might have a manual giving a complete procedure for how to get everything installed. I know that was the case with Compaq when I was dealing with similar issues.

They don't.

[Wizard]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

for this same reasons, I don't own Panasonic TVs except for dvd and anything that I don't care to replace. But to depend it on for over 120 bucks item like TV, etc. no way.

What is important, how good service you can get for a said expesnive item.

Cheers, Wizard

[Scenic]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

i had lots of problems when i tried to install NT4 onto an old laptop (Celeron 366).
partition crap like you described above..

i finally managed to install it...

i made a 2GB FAT partition, installed NT4 onto it, and converted it to NTFS from within that NT4..

all other methods didn't really work..

oh and BTW...:

NT4 SP6a
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

driver for basic USB support (USB 1.1 only)
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4/progs/usb.zip

Diskeeper NT Lite (defrag tool as NT4 doesn't have one by default)
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4...eeperlite1.zip

FAT32 driver for NT4
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4...-fastfat32.rar

another one
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4/progs/fat32.zip

IE6.0 SP1 (some programs need this to be installed)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...b-20b602228de6

Microsoft Management Console (MMC) 1.2 (needs at least IE5 installed!)
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4/progs/mmc.zip

[pentium]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Thank you for those links.
I only have the SP4 cd.

[zandrax]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Install the translator driver before any OS or you won't access the disk above 8 GB. If you need it, I can zip the disk and post it tomorrow.

One bad side of NT4 is you can't slipstream the Service pack as in Windows 2000 upwards: there are some hacks about replacing some files with the SP ones, but the discover of replaceable files is a long trial and error process with a lot of BSOD during the install or (worse) immediately after that and works only on NT Terminal Server. Best thing is getting a NT 4.0 with SP6 cd image and install from that.
I'd keep a 2-3 GB partiton for 98: it can be handy for running recent programs which don't run at all on NT (mainly multimedia ones, since NT is limited to DirectX 3).

Zandrax

[jpdoe]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Hi, Zandrax.
About the NT4 SP6 ISO... Have you ever come across a real one? All those I've seen are hacked install cds not made by microsoft.
Thanks in advance.

[Scenic]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

there are no NT4 CDs with a servicepack higher than 1.
they are all either without a SP at all, or with SP1.

everything else is a "hacked" version..

oh.. and zandrax...
DirectX 5 is the last one

http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4/progs/dx5nt.zip

its not official, and this won't boost the count of working games that much, but hey.. better than DX3 lol

some other stuff:

Flashplayer 9
http://home.arcor.de/danclethefirst/...ashplayer9.zip

Windows Media Player 7.1 (needs SP6a and IE6 installed!)
http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4/progs/WMP71nt4.exe

the WMP is in german. can't find the english version ATM (link is dead)

[jpdoe]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

hi, scenic.
Thanks for the tip!
Great resource, http://home.arcor.de/danclenator/nt4

[gdement]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

I don't actually recommend this, but in case you want to do it:

If you want the Win98 interface on NT4, you can install the "active desktop update" which is offered when you install IE4. I'm not sure where to get it online nowadays but I can post a copy if needed. It might actually be on your SP4 disc.

You can also install it from IE5 and IE6, but not as easily. You can just upgrade to IE6 afterwards and active desktop will stay.

This gives you all the conveniences that started with Win98, such as being able to drag and drop on the start menu, the quick launch thing, etc. Basically it replaces the Win95 shell with internet explorer doing everything instead.

However, unless you really hate the old shell then I don't recommend doing this. It puts a major hit on performance.
The Win98 style interface is much slower and consumes more RAM, undermining much of the reason for installing NT4 in the first place. Still, it probably won't consume as much memory as if you installed win2k, and it's much more stable than 98.

[zandrax]

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@ jpdoe, Scenic: I wrongly recalled that my NT 4 cd was shipped with SP6, I had to check it to be sure it isn't;anyway it would have negated my previous speech about hacked slipstreams Senile dementia 60 years in advance or simple lack of sleep?

@ Scenic: damn hackers, they discovered how to put DX5 for NT! Now I can play Age of Empires 1, Carmageddon, Driver, MDK and others
WMP 7 can run on NT just by modifying the installer and skipping the ASPI requirement: never tested for cd audio playback, old Winamp versions (such as 2.95) are IMHO better. MDGX hosts the english version.

@ gdement: I know IE integration is memory hungry and quite slow, but you can always install 98 with 98Lite (free edition has Chubby install which doesn't install IE) and later add IE6 plus other unofficial Service packs and programs you like. My retropc is a Pentium 100 with 32 MB of ram and my customized 98: only Opera is slow because it swaps a lot after 3 tabs, other programs work fine so the final result isn't disappointing.

Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Oh god.
Usually when you try to run a graphic program (Like Half-Life) at something smaller or larger than the physical size of the panel, the LCD controller makes it so that the image still runs fullscreen.
Well I fired up Half-Life at 640 x 480 (800 x 600 with only ~1Mb VRAM? Expect FPS rape) and instead of it doing exactly that it just gave me a black screen with the game running at 640 x 480 (actual size) in the upper left corner. Needless to say it was hell to play the game then as everything was so damn small.

I also seem to have an issue with Doom. The colors are all wrong but it does not seem to happen with other DOS games or apps.

[ratdude747]

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some projects never work out...

old laptops are buggy like that

maybe the hardware is going out- it might not be software

search ebay for newer stuff- put a bit in and see what you can find (see my signature)

ik tough books are supposed to be really nice, but a buissness laptop will do you fine as long as you take care of it (dont smash it on the ground when you get mad, etc.)

remeber you still have a hd to use, and the power cord might work with other stuff

somtimes you gotta move on

i do know micron transport trek 2 was good

I had one that until an idiot killed the screen, ran win 2000 no prob- they take up to 256mb ram and come with upgradeable PII 366 processors (dixon core, the fastest PII)

Larry the teenage computer surgeon

[gdement]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Oh god.
Usually when you try to run a graphic program (Like Half-Life) at something smaller or larger than the physical size of the panel, the LCD controller makes it so that the image still runs fullscreen.
Well I fired up Half-Life at 640 x 480 (800 x 600 with only ~1Mb VRAM? Expect FPS rape) and instead of it doing exactly that it just gave me a black screen with the game running at 640 x 480 (actual size) in the upper left corner. Needless to say it was hell to play the game then as everything was so damn small.

There might be a key combination to toggle that. But I've never had a Panasonic laptop.

[pentium]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

Yeah, it's usually Fn + T but that does not work here. It's actually quite strange but I'll blame the BIOS anyways.

[Scenic]

Re: CF-25 toughbook CPU question

BTW: IIRC those thingys also came with a touchscreen...

edit: for the stretched/non-stretched display, try FN + the F-Keys