Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

[mockingbird]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

very funny and very wrong.

Quite frankly, I don't think you're more proficient with Linux moreso than the average professional who has used and rejected Linux... There's a reason why smart people choose Windows over Linux.

A few weeks ago I wanted to test out GPU accelerated hash bruteforcing. So I booted up my computer with Kali (formerly Backtrack), only to find that in order to accomplish this, I'd have to fiddle with getting the right drivers installed, which negated the option of using the LiveCD.

Went back to Windows and downloaded the appropriate version of Hashcat. There was a warning about the version of the AMD Display driver I was using, so I switched to the recommended one, and I was up and running in no time.

People keep saying "Use Mint", or "Use such and such distro"... The problem is not with any particular distro per se, the problem is the underlying, immature implementation that has never been properly fine-tuned for desktop use.

Don't get me wrong, I like using Linux when I have to use it, but for everything else, there's Windows.

[diif]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

i need to make one of those for Unix guys...

The one Unix guy i met had two women on his arms and had the previous week had his door kicked in for going places he shouldn't have gone.

I want to see this chart

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

im a Linux guy,
i'm also an ex IRIX guy and almost ended up working with AIX.

all good stuff ends in "X"
(even OSX - just.)

[mockingbird]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

Then you know what a pain it is re-compiling the kernel if you're in the one percent that actually thinks about optimizing their OS for their particular system...

Heck, I still haven't seen one coherent guide for doing it that wasn't for some Ubuntu version released in 2007. And the automation tools have all but been abandoned, as they break from release to release, as the developers are busy bloating the OS because they have obsessive compulsive disorder.

Who was it that said that programming can often be so boring, that programmers invent new ways to challenge themselves, which ends up completely detracting from the functionality of the program they originally intended to write.

Linux claim to fame was based on the claim that Windows was written incompetently. That was true up until about Windows 2000. Leaked sourcecode of it as well as an interview with a Microsoft programmer who broke NDA anonymously confirms this. But After Windows XP SP2, it became incredibly bloated. So your choice is either bloated Windows that everyone else uses and that you'll be able to run the most things on, or bloated Linux which resembles Windows but has a lot less stuff for it and is much more complicated to use.

And you know that almost all the main distros are adopting systemd, right?

I think I posted Con Kilivas' interview many times before, but he summed up why Linux is a failure as a desktop OS many years ago:

If there is any one big problem with kernel development and Linux it is the complete disconnection of the development process from normal users. You know the ones who constitute 99.9% of the Linux user base.

[momaka]

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Well, here is my more or less realistic version of the Windows chart:



Except for me, the "Installing (mostly useless) updates" part is non-existent - I have automatic updates always turned OFF. And "Removing malware" is maybe 1/10 of that above. Same with "Customizing the Windows OS..." - well for the most part. For Windows XP, it is easy: I just run my custom theme files and it is all good. With Vista and 7, I haven't figured out how to save theme files to move them to other computers yet (though I guess there probably is a way?).

[mockingbird]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

For Windows 7, once you turn on "Microsoft Update", then you can configure it to categorize the updates thusly: "Security Updates", and "Recommended Updates". My Windows 7 computers are configured to alert me to new updates, but not do anything else, so I decide when to install them. As for the pointless recommended updates, I go through each new one on an individual basis and read the MSKB, and ecide whether I need it (If it's a timezone update or something like that).

But since it's categorized seperately from the Security Updates, I can ignore them for as long as I want.

[canadaboy25]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

I was receiving the "Get Windows 10" message on my Windows 8.1 PC and all I did to get rid of it was boot into Linux, navigate to C:\Windows\system32 and renamed the "GWX" folder to something like "GWX.stupidupdate" and now the message is gone and the system still thinks the update is installed so it won't reinstall it.

[goontron]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

I was receiving the "Get Windows 10" message on my Windows 8.1 PC and all I did to get rid of it was boot into Linux, navigate to C:\Windows\system32 and renamed the "GWX" folder to something like "GWX.stupidupdate" and now the message is gone and the system still thinks the update is installed so it won't reinstall it.

IDK about you, but i was impressed by 10s preview build. I guess i dont have the WIndows users complaints (The desktop is too different!) because ive used anywhere from Window Maker on SunOS 4, to Gnome 3 on SLE, to Unity on Ubuntu. You Windows users need to be more flexible.

[diif]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

Not more flexible. It was like swapping the pedals on a car after driving the same for years. Computers are a tool and to change things around to much confused users (hidden charms bar) hence the poor reception 8/8.1 received and the rush to get out 10.
The nice features were ignored by most users due to the poor GUI changes.
We are the minority Goontron, and personally is i had 8.1 with its schizophrenia i'd be eager to instal Windowsl 10.

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

windows10 - 1984 edition.

[reaper57]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

Quite frankly, I don't think you're more proficient with Linux moreso than the average professional who has used and rejected Linux... There's a reason why smart people choose Windows over Linux.

A few weeks ago I wanted to test out GPU accelerated hash bruteforcing. So I booted up my computer with Kali (formerly Backtrack), only to find that in order to accomplish this, I'd have to fiddle with getting the right drivers installed, which negated the option of using the LiveCD.

Went back to Windows and downloaded the appropriate version of Hashcat. There was a warning about the version of the AMD Display driver I was using, so I switched to the recommended one, and I was up and running in no time.

People keep saying "Use Mint", or "Use such and such distro"... The problem is not with any particular distro per se, the problem is the underlying, immature implementation that has never been properly fine-tuned for desktop use.

Don't get me wrong, I like using Linux when I have to use it, but for everything else, there's Windows.

I'm not sure why, but every time I start messing around with video drivers in linux I end up having to reinstall it! And I mean every time, well with the exception of backtrack and kali, there I just use the open sources drivers that get installed by default.

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

nvidia drivers?
you need to compile it against the kernel because nvidia are bastards who wont release the full source.

[reaper57]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

nvidia drivers?
you need to compile it against the kernel because nvidia are bastards who wont release the full source.

Both nvidia and amd/ati drivers.
But yeah nvidia are the worst. I can't boot into any sort of a linux os on my main rig that's running a 550Ti. The blinking cursor is as far as it gets...

[mockingbird]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

nvidia drivers?
you need to compile it against the kernel because nvidia are bastards who wont release the full source.

You're not the first one to curse nVidia for not releasing their source, in fact, Linus Torvalds did so himself. Of course the problem is that Linux developers can be hypocrites:

And there are all the obvious bug reports. They're afraid to mention these. How scary do you think it is to say ‘my Firefox tabs open slowly since the last CPU scheduler upgrade'? To top it all off the enterprise users are the opposite. Just watch each kernel release and see how quickly some $bullshit_benchmark degraded by .1% with patch $Y gets reported. See also how quickly it gets attended to.

In other words, the instant an enormous company like HP or whomever report something minute, they have the snottiest Linux devs eating out of their hands, but when an average user reports some blatant bug that hugely detracts from the desktop experience, he is mocked for being a luddite, or the fix is slow in coming.

Now I'm not saying I'm in love with nVidia, or that they're a great company, only that the people who curse them are no better.

[Mad_Professor]

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I hate the current generation of linux and where it's going. It seems like they all have gone of the deep end.

There's no stability in any distro except debain and arch-linux.
Like Centos 7, I try to use it, and yum was broken. I couldn't groupinstall "Development Tools" because it couldn't find it, even though it was in the list.

I'm always having issues with any *buntu/mint distros or releases, and fedora is too bleeding edge, and opensuse is too isolated.

I'm sticking with my Windows 7, 2008, CentOS 6, Debian wheezy.

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

opensuse is too isolated.

what does that mean???

btw, i'm mostly using Magia.

[Mad_Professor]

Re: Windows 10 upgrade nagger pushed to my install today.

what does that mean???

btw, i'm mostly using Magia.

It means opensuse has a limited community, You'll be hard to find support when a problem occurs, unless you pay for it.

Ran into another problem today, archlinux doesn't like virtualbox opengl 3d acceleration, so no 3d acceleration, and it's been reported about a year ago and still hasn't been fixed.