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  • shovenose
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    • Aug 2010
    • 6575
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    #1

    RAID being annoying (like usual)

    So I was building myself a dedicated server.
    I used the following parts:
    -2U case
    -250W Lite-on PSU from an HP
    -c_hegge's favorite motherboard
    -Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz CPU
    -PCI SATAII RAID Card (this one, but I go it used for $5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816124003 )
    -2x WD Scorpio Blue, one 500GB, one 640GB, in RAID 1, yes I only had 500GB capacity but I don't mind.

    Now, Neither Ubuntu Server 12.04 nor Debian would install on it. So I (with many regrets) installed Windows Sever 2008 R2 on it (I used a Flash Drive for the RAID drivers during the install)... that worked fine, just took fucking FOREVER...
    I ran an HDTune benchmark showed why - my disk throughput was shit and was going up and down crazy, and my seek time was like 30ms.

    Now, what could be causing this? Mismatched HDs? They're the same models except for different capacities, and one came out of my lenovo laptop (640) and one brand new (500)...

    At this point I hate this server with a passion and am going to use the Dell PowerEdge with the nVidia chipset because at least it fucking works!!!

    If we don't get this figured out soon I will just use the Dell.
    P.S. bonus points c_hegge for figuring out which motherboard is in the 2U.

  • RJARRRPCGP
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    • Jul 2004
    • 6304
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    #2
    Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

    Originally posted by shovenose

    Now, what could be causing this? Mismatched HDs?
    I would try making smaller RAID slices.
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    • shovenose
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      • Aug 2010
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      #3
      Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

      Originally posted by RJARRRPCGP
      I would try making smaller RAID slices.
      How?

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      • Uranium-235
        Comrade Glimmer
        • Aug 2007
        • 5042
        • US

        #4
        Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

        try a firmware update on the card
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        • RJARRRPCGP
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          • Jul 2004
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          #5
          Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

          Originally posted by shovenose
          How?
          You're gonna have to go to the RAID card BIOS.
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          "Β‘Me encanta "Me Encanta o Enlistarlo con Hilary Farr!" -MΓ­ mismo

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          "Today's lesson in pissivity comes in the form of a ziplock baggie full of GPU extension brackets & hardware that for the last ~3 years have been on my bench, always in my way, getting moved around constantly....and yesterday I found myself in need of them....and the bastards are now nowhere to be found! Motherfracker!!" -Topcat

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          • shovenose
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            • Aug 2010
            • 6575
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            #6
            Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

            Originally posted by Uranium-235
            try a firmware update on the card
            That's not a bad idea...

            Now my other RAID array (not for my server, it's a server going to be used for Windows Shared Hosting), is being slow. I'm installing Windows Server 2003 Enterprise on a P4 3.06HT with 4GB of RAM, with WD Caviar Blue 160GB drives in RAID 1.
            It's taking forever for the copying files... part of setup.
            Then again it might have something to do with the fact that I nLited the drivers for the RAID controller into the 2003 CD because I don't have a floppy disk/drive...
            This RAID controller is a FastTrak TX4 S150 and it shuldn't be so slow!!!
            Maybe it's because I'm using Caviar Blue drives?

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            • shovenose
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              #7
              Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

              Originally posted by RJARRRPCGP
              You're gonna have to go to the RAID card BIOS.
              LOL I did... there is no option. Remember, it's a cheap RAID card.

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              • Topcat
                The Boss Stooge
                • Oct 2003
                • 16956
                • United States

                #8
                Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                that cheap ass RAID card would get my vote. 2 mismatched drives as long as they're the same size should be ok...the bottleneck will be the slower of the two drives, but will otherwise be completely functional. Two different size drives in a mirror, the RAID will be set to the size of the smaller drive. There's no replacement for a good RAID controller....buy an LSI/3ware or an adaptec next time.

                Will fit a 2u:
                http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMCC-3WARE-9...item27c7562993
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                • ratdude747
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                  • Nov 2008
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                  #9
                  Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                  Originally posted by Topcat
                  that cheap ass RAID card would get my vote. 2 mismatched drives as long as they're the same size should be ok...the bottleneck will be the slower of the two drives, but will otherwise be completely functional. Two different size drives in a mirror, the RAID will be set to the size of the smaller drive. There's no replacement for a good RAID controller....buy an LSI/3ware or an adaptec next time.

                  Will fit a 2u:
                  http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMCC-3WARE-9...item27c7562993
                  Agreed. I have never had good luck with cheap RAID controllers... Maybe you could find a 3ware 9500 for cheap... yeah, its only SATA 1, but with those HDDs, it won't be a bottleneck.
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                  • shovenose
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                    #10
                    Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                    I fixed the issue by replacing every single component in the server. Promise RAID controller now.

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                    • c_hegge
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                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5219
                      • Australia

                      #11
                      Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                      I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not in saying the board is my favourite one. If so, then it's probably an ECS G31 board. Otherwise, an Intel or Gigabyte board.
                      I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                      No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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                      Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                      • Mad_Professor
                        A Mech Warrior
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 1587

                        #12
                        Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                        PCI bus is the issue, alot of the core2 or 775 boards in this case have poor PCI bus optimization in the bios. I had this trouble with two different board using cheap pci raid cards, promise, rocketraid, syba, startech.

                        If you have pci-e, get a pci-e sata card, doesn't have to be fancy just enough ports for you to play with then install linux and do mdadm raid array. Unless windows can do the software raid as well do that too. I prefer mdadm since I can recover the array and pull data should it fail.

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                        • Uranium-235
                          Comrade Glimmer
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 5042
                          • US

                          #13
                          Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                          intel ICHR is actually one of the better fakeraid systems. IMO. My ICH10R on my i7 is pretty damn snappy. and the software is really well built
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                          • Topcat
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                            • Oct 2003
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                            #14
                            Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                            Originally posted by Uranium-235
                            intel ICHR is actually one of the better fakeraid systems. IMO. My ICH10R on my i7 is pretty damn snappy. and the software is really well built
                            I agree with that. my main rig has the same controller, it was very snappy and the drivers/software were very stable.....but I'm just the pessimist with softRAID's.....and got a 3ware anywya....but I did experiment with it and had no real gripes.
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                            • ratdude747
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                              #15
                              Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                              Originally posted by Topcat
                              I agree with that. my main rig has the same controller, it was very snappy and the drivers/software were very stable.....but I'm just the pessimist with softRAID's.....and got a 3ware anywya....but I did experiment with it and had no real gripes.
                              Same here, why use fakeraid when one can use HW raid?
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                              • Topcat
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                                #16
                                Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                                ^
                                My thoughts exactly.... the ICH10R was ok...but there aint nothing like the real thing!!
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                                • Uranium-235
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                                  • Aug 2007
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                                  #17
                                  Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                                  I would, if I had any extra pci-e channels
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                                  • Uranium-235
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                                    #18
                                    Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                                    onh yeah and money too
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                                    • shovenose
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                                      #19
                                      Re: RAID being annoying (like usual)

                                      Originally posted by c_hegge
                                      I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not in saying the board is my favourite one. If so, then it's probably an ECS G31 board. Otherwise, an Intel or Gigabyte board.
                                      Correct. it was the ECS.

                                      I've completely redone my server. It's not as good in some ways, in some ways it's better. I'll upgrade my server when I start making some money. But it'll save me like $10/month I spend in hosting with the Gators...

                                      New specs:
                                      P4HT 3.06GHz HyperThread
                                      4GB RAM
                                      2x160GB Caviar Blue in RAID 1 on a Promise S150 TX4 RAID controller
                                      250W Lite-on PSU
                                      2U case
                                      CentOS 6.2 32-bit (yeah, I'm wasting a bit of RAM, too bad lol)

                                      We're going to use a different machine for Windows Shared. Linux Shared is going to be on our Supermicro servers, the Dell PowerEdge, and the huge HP workstation. Then of course there's Mac Shared which runs on Power Macs...
                                      The IBM and the custom builds are going to be for the internal network

                                      Cisco core network, ZyXel and SMC connectivity equipment...

                                      Pretty epic really!

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