Newer stuff that isn't better

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Windows Vistrash, 7, and probably 8.

XP beats all of them

QFT! XP is phenomenal when it comes to hibernate and resume on a little P4 2.2 Dell!

Even when 7 is more refined, it's still a hog!

A little P4 2.2 with XP can pwn a Core 2 Duo with 7!

Especially a default Windows 7.

[Topcat]

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Be careful, I get flamed by the kiddies around here for not downgrading my stuff to win7. All my systems are XP64, except one, which is XP 32 bit........with no downgrade to 7 in the forecast! I deliberately XP driver hunt for 7 systems, just to eliminate them of that abomination known as 7. I bought my wife a new laptop, which has 7 on it....she likes the eye candy, so I left it alone.....

[Uranium-235]

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Be careful, I get flamed by the kiddies around here for not downgrading my stuff to win7. All my systems are XP64, except one, which is XP 32 bit........with no downgrade to 7 in the forecast! I deliberately XP driver hunt for 7 systems, just to eliminate them of that abomination known as 7. I bought my wife a new laptop, which has 7 on it....she likes the eye candy, so I left it alone.....

smart idea. There are are a lot of laptops that have win7/vista specific hardware (usually sound)

first off i'm not a 'kiddy' and the only flame I know is a guy my parents helped raised as a teenager who happily lives with his boyfriend dan.

annnyhoooooo....

as I said OLDER machines XP wins. And yes you can take advantage of more ram with xp 64

but there is graphics smoothness with 7 that come with fully hardware accelerated video. Its not a hog like vista was. Just like when XP came out, a newer operating system required more ram as part of its minimum specs. But at the time, hardware was at a higher point, with bigger memory becoming cheaper. Could you run XP on a machine that previously ran windows 98? sure, but it would be slow as shit. Why people never wanted to upgrade to xp from 98 or me. Running XP on a P2 300 with 128M of ram was sad. After SP3 even a 1ghz p3 was still difficult for basic web surfing

Vista requirements came at a time when the hardware was too expensive for good performance. Now, with 8gb sticks of ddr3 for $20, dual cores for $40 and quad cores for $80, with integrated graphics

its more of... a different type of better performance





you're right rat, it was a 6x series, my bad

[mockingbird]

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I want XP but with the improved featureset of Vista/7... I was reading old PC Magazines in the bathroom, and it struck me how the advertising was intended for task-oriented functionality-obsessed middle-class average white males. Windows is now supposed to appeal to the imbecilic. Why can't I have the XP interface in Windows 7? Microsoft says I need to now emulate it within 7. How ridiculous.

[Wester547]

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Honestly, my sole problem with XP (despite of the aforesaid increase in RAM/CPU consumption, though I guess that isn't a big deal because it doesn't take much to run XP well) is that it doesn't let you "escape" BSODs like 98SE did. :P Once you run into a BSOD in XP you have to restart. At least with 98SE, however unstable it was (a least for me in memory management and its kernel), at least much of the time, a BSOD didn't mean the end of that session (at least not always).

Not sure why Microsoft couldn't have included "press any key to continue" in the BSODs of Windows XP and later (unless it's dangerous to continue to run an operating system after such a fatal error), but even then, XP feels far more homely to me than Vista and later, though that could just be nostalgia on my part.

[mockingbird]

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I disagree with the premise...

A BSOD equivalent in Windows 98 would be a complete system freeze. A '98 "Illegal Operation" wouldn't be a BSOD in XP.

[Wester547]

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I don't mean the 'illegal operation' error, though (I thought the equivalent of that in XP was the "Microsoft error report"). I mean what is quite literally 98SE's blue screen of death, though I don't contest your point.

[seanc]

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Some of the BSODs in 98 were silly, 'DISK NOT FOUND IN DRIVE A:' - that really doesn't require a BSOD.

[Topcat]

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smart idea. There are are a lot of laptops that have win7/vista specific hardware (usually sound)

I've upgraded quite a few laptops from vista/7 to XP for people other than myself, at their request. Finding drivers for XP on newer laptops gets harder by the day, but its no problem on most desktops. If she wants 7, thats her business.... I'm glad I didn't have to fool with reloading it...

first off i'm not a 'kiddy' and the only flame I know is a guy my parents helped raised as a teenager who happily lives with his boyfriend dan.

Sarcasm much>? Take a chill pill before a head gasket blows!! I think the sarcasm was quite clear in that response.....sometimes it can be hard to tell, but not this time.

[mockingbird]

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I've upgraded quite a few laptops from vista/7 to XP for people other than myself, at their request. Finding drivers for XP on newer laptops gets harder by the day, but its no problem on most desktops. If she wants 7, thats her business.... I'm glad I didn't have to fool with reloading it...

Never had this problem... Even x79 I think is supported in XP with Intel drivers...

[Topcat]

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I've had quite a few that would end up with an 'unknown device' left over, and everything was working....I have no idea what that device might be......

[Uranium-235]

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X79, desktop chipset, chipsets usually get xp support in one way or another

like, umm, sigmatel audio, sometimes one of the brand offshoots of sigmatel audio, sometimes even though there is an xp driver, it tends to not be able to start the audio service that is included with the driver, and thus the driver gives you a big code 10. At the shop I used to work for we ran into this alot, to the point where if we told somebody we could upgrade their vista to xp on their laptop that it *might* not work. We eventually (well I did the dumbass shop manager said it was a waste of time) would swap the HD out and quickly install xp on it and try to load those drivers before we actually destroyed the persons install of vista (backing up their data first of course)

[mockingbird]

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I've had quite a few that would end up with an 'unknown device' left over, and everything was working....I have no idea what that device might be......

It's usually something like TPM or the ACPI "Driver" or something like that...

A little tip:



VID = Vendor ID, PID= Product ID.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Some of the BSODs in 98 were silly, 'DISK NOT FOUND IN DRIVE A:' - that really doesn't require a BSOD.

That wasn't a "true-BSOD". Windows 9x simply reports errors differently.

Windows will change the display mode and show a message in a blue screen, even for non-fatal-to-the-OS errors, that includes Windows reporting no disk in the drive. Just press a key and the GUI should return.

And anti-virus software in the past has switched the display mode to a blue screen or other coloured screen in full screen mode to display a virus warning.


The the "illegal operation" message was just Windows reporting a crash,
Windows 98 SE was the last version to display that.

Windows ME does not use the words "illegal operation" in error messages.

Microsoft changed the words it used in error messages in Windows ME, despite being based on 98 SE.

[Uranium-235]

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^thats what you call a plug & play query string (or hardware id)

google unknowndevices. I use that sometimes but it dosen't work so much for newer devices unless you get the paid version

[mockingbird]

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Just search the VID and PID... Why do you need that program?

[Rulycat]

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Though ratdude I had a D600 and the hinges were rubbish. Replaced them twice.

[lti]

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Honestly, my sole problem with XP (despite of the aforesaid increase in RAM/CPU consumption, though I guess that isn't a big deal because it doesn't take much to run XP well) is that it doesn't let you "escape" BSODs like 98SE did. :P Once you run into a BSOD in XP you have to restart. At least with 98SE, however unstable it was (a least for me in memory management and its kernel), at least much of the time, a BSOD didn't mean the end of that session (at least not always).

Not sure why Microsoft couldn't have included "press any key to continue" in the BSODs of Windows XP and later (unless it's dangerous to continue to run an operating system after such a fatal error), but even then, XP feels far more homely to me than Vista and later, though that could just be nostalgia on my part.

Windows XP is more stable, so any BSOD is such a major error that the operating system can not continue to run. It is possible to get a major error like that in Windows 98 as well, and attempting to continue will either bring up a black screen or another BSOD.

That wasn't a "true-BSOD". Windows 9x simply reports errors differently.

Windows will change the display mode and show a message in a blue screen, even for non-fatal-to-the-OS errors, that includes Windows reporting no disk in the drive. Just press a key and the GUI should return.

And anti-virus software in the past has switched the display mode to a blue screen or other coloured screen in full screen mode to display a virus warning.


The the "illegal operation" message was just Windows reporting a crash,
Windows 98 SE was the last version to display that.

Windows ME does not use the words "illegal operation" in error messages.

Microsoft changed the words it used in error messages in Windows ME, despite being based on 98 SE.

Windows 98 did have a lot of stupid BSODs. If Windows thinks a removable storage device is still being used by a program, it will BSOD.

The detection warnings in today's antivirus software appear in the lower left corner of the screen and are written in extremely small text. Norton's warnings are so small that they can easily be ignored, while their performance alerts ("HOLY SHIT! INTERNET EXPLORER IS USING MEMORY!") take up one-fourth of the screen.

[Topcat]

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I can't remember the last time win2k or XP gave me a BSoD.....

[Uranium-235]

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yeah same here, and forever since i've seen 7 give me a bsod too

but we're techs, we know whats going on software wise. We're not some dumbass who installs 2 antiviruses and 3 'registry cleaners'