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    #41
    Re: Laptop upgrade advice

    Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
    I like being different
    Being different because you're thinking and using your head - good.
    But being different for the sake of it - foolish.
    Anyways, if you know what you're doing, I'll leave you to it .

    Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
    as for windows, I want a free sytem that is not bogged with DRM sh!t or as secure as piggy bank. avast AV helps but it still is a crappy system.. bla bla bla
    I understand you don't like Windows and you have your preference for Linux - and that's all fine with me. What I don't really understand is why you keep making lame examples how Linux is better than Windows. It's NOT. They are both different OSs, each with its own advantages and limitations. If you don't like using Windows - fine, just say so. Making lame reasons why it sucks makes you seem like you don't know anything about Windows at all (which I'm sure is not the case).

    But anyways, what do I know, I'm just a Windows sheep after all.
    BBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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    By the way, that comic reminds me of Bluto from Popeye.

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      #42
      Re: Laptop upgrade advice

      Just use XP, get your ass through school, THEN build a toy laptop.
      The one for school should be a tool, not a toy.
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      Mann-Made Global Warming.
      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
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      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
      - Dr Seuss
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      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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        #43
        Re: Laptop upgrade advice

        At some point some Windows happy instructor is going to require you to do something you need Windows for anyway. [Both of my Nieces ran into that.]
        Just suck-up XP long enough to get through school. Then you can shit-can it.
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        Mann-Made Global Warming.
        - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
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        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
        - Dr Seuss
        -
        You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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          #44
          Re: Laptop upgrade advice

          Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
          There's ad blockers. And there are other browsers except Internet Explorer. This isn't about luck. It's about knowing your s***. If all alternative paths lead to failure then maybe the "usual" path was the good one from the get go.
          I don't think ad blockers can prevent an infection from a popular website that had been hacked. I personally use Firefox with NoScript, but NoScript's default whitelist contained advertising sites that were known to have infected ads. My parents use Internet Explorer without an ad blocker, and there was a point when fake antivirus software would try to install itself almost every day. Every attempt was started by an ad, and nobody clicked on the ad. You just needed to have that ad appear on the page for it to download the fake antivirus software.

          No matter how much you know, there is still a way for malware to sneak onto your computer.

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            #45
            Re: Laptop upgrade advice

            Originally posted by PCBONEZ View Post
            At some point some Windows happy instructor is going to require you to do something you need Windows for anyway. [Both of my Nieces ran into that.]
            Just suck-up XP long enough to get through school. Then you can shit-can it.
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            FYI this is why i dualboot the laptop. i already had windows only stuff (NI Labview, TI CAN bus tools) on the XP side of it... that's what it's there for. by using windows full time i meant solely using windows.

            I did say no. did anybody listen (well, read)??? NO.
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            (Insert witty quote here)

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              #46
              Re: Laptop upgrade advice

              Originally posted by lti View Post
              You just needed to have that ad appear on the page for it to download the fake antivirus software.
              That is done by an Active-X Control.
              Either turn it off or get SpywareBlaster which blocks Active-X Controls in web pages.
              It's 'light weight', runs in the background, compatible with anti-viruses [can use both at the same time], and free if you choose manual updates.
              http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
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              Or from here:
              http://www.majorgeeks.com/SpywareBlaster_d2859.html
              Install
              Update
              Then Enable all Protection.
              -- It's quite fast about updates and installing.
              .
              Last edited by PCBONEZ; 06-10-2011, 12:03 AM.
              Mann-Made Global Warming.
              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
              -
              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
              - Dr Seuss
              -
              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
              -

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                #47
                Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                Just use Gnome 2. It's difficult to understand why one would need to spend hundreds of dollars on a completely new laptop just for the glitz and glam of Gnome 3. Gnome 2 works just fine, and I even managed to get DRI working with the 855GM perfectly.
                "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                  #48
                  Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                  Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
                  FYI this is why i dualboot the laptop. i already had windows only stuff (NI Labview, TI CAN bus tools) on the XP side of it... that's what it's there for. by using windows full time i meant solely using windows.

                  I did say no. did anybody listen (well, read)??? NO.
                  Then why you whining about needing a new laptop so you can run Linux for school.
                  You're already set for school. You -need- nothing else.

                  Seems to me you're just looking for an excuse to get a new laptop to improve your 'cool factor' at school by running the latest Linux.
                  That's NOT a -need-..
                  The car possibly is unless you can and like doing a bus to school.
                  And you'll look so cool using Linux on the bus.
                  [See what I'm sayin'?]
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                  Mann-Made Global Warming.
                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                  -
                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                  - Dr Seuss
                  -
                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                  -

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                    #49
                    Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                    Originally posted by lti View Post
                    I don't think ad blockers can prevent an infection from a popular website that had been hacked.
                    Good point, but...

                    Originally posted by lti View Post
                    My parents use Internet Explorer without an ad blocker, and there was a point when fake antivirus software would try to install itself almost every day.
                    You just made a fool of yourself. Great job.

                    Originally posted by lti View Post
                    No matter how much you know, there is still a way for malware to sneak onto your computer.
                    Opera + Fanboy's Adblock List. Even my mom hasn't gotten a virus in 2 years. Disable Autoplay for removable drives and you're also free from those stupid usb drive worms.

                    Originally posted by PCBONEZ View Post
                    That is done by an Active-X Control.
                    Either turn it off or get SpywareBlaster which blocks Active-X Controls in web pages.
                    It's 'light weight', runs in the background, compatible with anti-viruses [can use both at the same time], and free if you choose manual updates.
                    http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
                    .
                    Or from here:
                    http://www.majorgeeks.com/SpywareBlaster_d2859.html
                    Install
                    Update
                    Then Enable all Protection.
                    -- It's quite fast about updates and installing.
                    .
                    Excellent recommendation. If you must use IE, do what he said.

                    Originally posted by PCBONEZ View Post
                    That's NOT a -need-..
                    The car possibly is unless you can and like doing a bus to school.
                    And you'll look so cool using Linux on the bus.
                    [See what I'm sayin'?]
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                    100% agreed here.
                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                    A working TV? How boring!

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                      #50
                      Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                      Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                      You just made a fool of yourself. Great job.

                      No, I was agreeing with you. Internet Explorer is not as safe as other browsers, and there are so many ads designed to install malware that an ad blocker is required for security. That wasn't my computer.
                      My computer has Firefox with NoScript, and I haven't seen a fake antivirus installer on it. Unfortunately, NoScript's default whitelist contained a few ad servers that were known to have ads that try to install fake antivirus software. I remember seeing doubleclick.net and Google's ad server (I don't remember the exact address) in the whitelist.

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                        #51
                        Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                        Doubleclick is a subsidy of google. I highly doubt google is going around installing Antivirus XP 2009 or any other rouge trojans on anyone's computer.

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                          #52
                          Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                          Originally posted by 370forlife View Post
                          Doubleclick is a subsidy of google. I highly doubt google is going around installing Antivirus XP 2009 or any other rouge trojans on anyone's computer.
                          It happened to me. I don't know which rogue it was downloading (I unplugged the network cable as soon as the fake My Computer window popped up), but it came from Doubleclick. That was the point when I finally switched to Firefox for the NoScript add-on.

                          Can everyone get back on topic? This thread wasn't started to discuss security software.

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                            #53
                            Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                            Originally posted by 370forlife View Post
                            Doubleclick is a subsidy of google. I highly doubt google is going around installing Antivirus XP 2009 or any other rouge trojans on anyone's computer.
                            Google's only had it since 2008.
                            Prior to that Doubleclick was scum.
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                            Mann-Made Global Warming.
                            - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                            -
                            Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                            - Dr Seuss
                            -
                            You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                            -

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                              #54
                              Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                              Originally posted by lti View Post
                              It happened to me. I don't know which rogue it was downloading (I unplugged the network cable as soon as the fake My Computer window popped up), but it came from Doubleclick. That was the point when I finally switched to Firefox for the NoScript add-on.

                              Can everyone get back on topic? This thread wasn't started to discuss security software.
                              Add it to your hosts file.
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                              Mann-Made Global Warming.
                              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                              -
                              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                              - Dr Seuss
                              -
                              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                              -

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                                #55
                                Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                I have done that to a lot of sites on my parents' computer. On my computer, NoScript blocks the ads.

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                                  #56
                                  Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                  I agree with previous posters - use the tool that gets the job done.
                                  My colleague, a die hard linux user, uses XP at work - albeit with at least four SSH sessions open to various other boxes.
                                  Windows 7 with dual screens is where I'm most productive, I'll SSH into a linux box/flip the KVM if I need Ubuntu. OS X is nice to come home to, because it never needs tinkering.

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                                    #57
                                    Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                    I have my reason for using linux and xp. for the things i can do in linux, I gethem done faster... better layout and overall GUI design... can we restart the thread ignoring any mention of windows?

                                    edit- restarted without OS discussions here:

                                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...355#post169355

                                    please don't restart the BS over there.

                                    PS- i will have something to drive to school either way... my parents will be buying a 3rd car (the current two isn't doing all they want) and told me that for now once i have my liscense in a couple months there will be a car for me to drive... may not be "mine" exactly, but i won't be on the bus or anything lame like that.
                                    Last edited by ratdude747; 06-10-2011, 05:35 PM.
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                                    (Insert witty quote here)

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                                      #58
                                      Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                      Originally posted by lti View Post

                                      No, I was agreeing with you. Internet Explorer is not as safe as other browsers, and there are so many ads designed to install malware that an ad blocker is required for security. That wasn't my computer.
                                      Sorry about that then.

                                      Originally posted by lti View Post
                                      My computer has Firefox with NoScript, and I haven't seen a fake antivirus installer on it. Unfortunately, NoScript's default whitelist contained a few ad servers that were known to have ads that try to install fake antivirus software. I remember seeing doubleclick.net and Google's ad server (I don't remember the exact address) in the whitelist.
                                      Hmm... interesting. But, do the ads install rogues by themselves even in Firefox? I knew some nasty IE "features" such as crapware toolbars have made their way into FF as well, but i didn't know it had gotten so out of hand. Opera ftw.

                                      Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
                                      I have my reason for using linux and xp. for the things i can do in linux, I gethem done faster... better layout and overall GUI design... can we restart the thread ignoring any mention of windows?
                                      No.

                                      Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
                                      may not be "mine" exactly, but i won't be on the bus or anything lame like that.
                                      Good.
                                      Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                      Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                      A working TV? How boring!

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                                        #59
                                        Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                        Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                                        Hmm... interesting. But, do the ads install rogues by themselves even in Firefox? I knew some nasty IE "features" such as crapware toolbars have made their way into FF as well, but i didn't know it had gotten so out of hand. Opera ftw.
                                        "Apparently". I've never seen it happen, but when I tell people they should be using Firefox rather than IE, they say 'oh I was'.

                                        Actually, I think they get trapped with a Firefox window that won't do anything, so they click on the malware and initiate the destruction. I saw it happen to my Mum, but she asked me for help before she did anything stupid.

                                        As for AV protecting against this stuff? I've seen none of the major vendors consistently prevent or remove it.
                                        Last edited by seanc; 06-10-2011, 05:49 PM.

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                                          #60
                                          Re: Laptop upgrade advice

                                          Originally posted by seanc View Post
                                          As for AV protecting against this stuff? I've seen none of the major vendors consistently prevent or remove it.
                                          I've actually seen the other way round - the rogue removes or disables the legit AV program.
                                          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                          A working TV? How boring!

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