Like I Predicted, SSE4 Crushes AMD

[Topcat]

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Wheres the communism? AMD and Intel aren't affiliated (meaning one doesn't have a controlling interest in the other). That my friend is competition and capitalism. Communism would be the govt owning/controlling them both. You're really out there today, arent you?!

[Trinite]

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If we were communist, we would still be using these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL...KP1810BM86.jpg

[mockingbird]

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Wheres the communism? AMD and Intel aren't affiliated (meaning one doesn't have a controlling interest in the other). That my friend is competition and capitalism.

I never said it was communist. But I said that when businesses are allowed to grow too large, it destroys all competition. It is called monopolistic capitalism. There is no more competition. Breaking up these large companies is essential for the survival of competetive capitalism. Look at General Motors. No one is allowed to manufacture jet turbines because these shmoes have a 100 year patent. Is it that no one knows how to build a turbine engine? Certainly not. Such a company should be partitioned.

Communism would be the govt owning/controlling them both. You're really out there today, arent you?!

No, that's de facto fascism. As Musollini stated:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

When the state controls the corporation, it's fascism. Vice versa, it's reverse-fascism. Monopolistic capitalism is a precursor to reverse fascism as socialism is a precursor to communism. What I said was that if I was forced to choose between the two, I would choose communism.

[ratdude747]

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No, that's de facto fascism. As Musollini stated:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

When the state controls the corporation, it's fascism. Vice versa, it's reverse-fascism. Monopolistic capitalism is a precursor to reverse fascism as socialism is a precursor to communism. What I said was that if I was forced to choose between the two, I would choose communism.

so f'ing what? just because somebody says it doesn't make it true. Even so called experts lie and mispeak.

your logic makes NO sense. AMD nor intel have a monopoly. they together may make up most of the market share, but they are indeed separate companies in competition.

i could say a lot more things but the rules force me to stop here.

[MixMasta]

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I'll stick with my 8 month old 6 core AMD 1090T for now. CIV 5 as a benchmark is suspect too. There are plenty of benchmarks of the game at Anandtech and other sites that actually show it getting higher frame rates at higher resolutions, which makes no sense. But nods to Intel for raising the ante a bit here. It's nice to see the 4 Ghz barrier broken finally.

[Agent24]

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I'm interested to see how Bulldozer goes...

Either way, I am an AMD fan, mainly because of the price. Now way will I (or can) spend $2000 on a CPU alone.

Saying that, though, I still prefer nVidia graphics cards....

[NxB]

Intel Prices

Wonderful so a celeron 300A was about $120 back in 1999.

So that would be about $150 in 2009 dollars. Not too bad considering that in 99 it had already been out for a year.

According to wikipedia, release prices from that era for PIIs were around $700 give or take. So in "current" dollars thats like $900. I look at pricewatch and what do I see?

Top of the line i7s are $900-$1000. Top of the line AMD is like $250. That's less than $200 in 1999.

And the icing on the cake; celerons are crippled PIIs and the only upside to the 300A was that it would overclock... alot. It was a mistake, just like the unlock-able Phenoms.

If intel stayed the only game in town, prices would be like they were back then. Either pay through the nose or deal with crippled consumer shit where they take features out on purpose.

Its also fun being repeatedly sold out. PSNs, TPM, and now even more hardware DRM. Thanks intel, fuck you and your shiny clean room dancers.


http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

[mockingbird]

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And the icing on the cake; celerons are crippled PIIs and the only upside to the 300A was that it would overclock... alot. It was a mistake, just like the unlock-able Phenoms.

True, had less cache, but cache ran at full bus speed. Ok, true also that P3's cache was 8 way associative, and Celeron was only 4 way associative... Or was that only for coppermine P3s... Ah, the good days.

[acstech]

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SB is all well and good, except if you are one of those heathens that run Linux...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2011/01/...ointment-year/

[Agent24]

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And I thought the video drivers for VIA chips on Linux were crappy... ha!

Another good reason for my to never buy anything Intel.

[ratdude747]

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i know anything intel 8xx has poor linux support... fedora seems to play nice with my laptop's 855gm, but others had no 3d or bugs.

[mockingbird]

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SB is all well and good, except if you are one of those heathens that run Linux...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2011/01/...ointment-year/

Most disappointing of the year!?

Gimme a break.

Because.... Wait... drumroll... IT WON'T WORK WITH UBUNTU!!!!

Come on, you can do better than that.

When you start looking at AMD video support for Linux, and compare it to nVidia, then you can start bashing Intel's Linux support.

[ratdude747]

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fedora seems to be fine with my intel 855gm chip, but it can be buggy now and then. seems that they used the buggy intel driver while buntu uses the less buggy but wimpy vesa driver.

[acstech]

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Most disappointing of the year!?

Gimme a break.

Because.... Wait... drumroll... IT WON'T WORK WITH UBUNTU!!!!

Come on, you can do better than that.

When you start looking at AMD video support for Linux, and compare it to nVidia, then you can start bashing Intel's Linux support.

Well yeah, he did overdo it a bit. But still, for all the engineers that Intel hires, you'd think they could have been bothered to cough up some stinking drivers.

Oh, and nvidia doesn't make CPU's. Lately, they don't make Intel chipsets either... not that they were a good option to begin with.

Actually, I've tried integrated AMD graphics with Linux and it worked ok. Perhaps not up to the level of Nvidia, but definately usable. Which is more than I can say for Intel.

[mockingbird]

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Don't worry. I doubt Linux Kernel developers will go on for very long without working this out with Intel. Intel is usually pretty good about this stuff, and their graphics stuff is updated very often.

Yea, AMD/ATI is usuable in Linux but I have to say that after I read about RoHS on their newer stuff, and binary-only Linux drivers, they are no longer my preferred GPU vendor. I'm aware nVidia's stuff is also RoHS, but they'll be damned if they go through what they did with their older stuff, I guarantee their investors are breathing over their necks to ensure their design is RoHS resistant. And indeed, you see the same style of chip package that you see Microsoft has used for the CPU/GPU of the new Xbox slim.

[PCBONEZ]

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I stopped reading at that. You obviously know nothing of business or computer 'history' if you will. I'm not an AMD fanboy, I've always had intel-based systems for my own use, and still do (dual quadcore xeon 5520's)....but the crap you're spouting is just that..... Do some research, focusing on the K5 and K6 days and then through the K7 days. The Athlon64 (clawhammer) stomped the crap out of Intel's first 64 bit CPU's (Itanium iirc) in both performance and price.

As for the lawsuits, that's just part of the game my friend. It's a dog and pony show, just like the silly BS that goes on between Apple and HTC over their dopey cell phones.

Agree completely.

AMD keeps Intel in check regardless of who's on top at the moment.
If it weren't for them just the Intel CPU would be costing more than the whole system does now.

AMD benefits -your wallet- even if you don't buy AMD.
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[mockingbird]

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...Yes, by that logic if Kia wasn't manufacturing the vomit of the auto industry, Toyotas would be double the price :-/. By the way, "Kia" translates literally to "vomit" in Hebrew.

[PCBONEZ]

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...Yes, by that logic if Kia wasn't manufacturing the vomit of the auto industry, Toyotas would be double the price :-/. By the way, "Kia" translates literally to "vomit" in Hebrew.

If there were only two auto manufacturers that would make sense and be true.
As that's not the case it's a load of crap.
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[mockingbird]

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Via and Motorolla were as of relatively recently producing innovative CPUs... And for that matter Via was even producing CISC CPUs. They had that whole line of energy-efficient low-heat chips with the Jewish prophets codenames.

[PCBONEZ]

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"recently" ??
Motorolla has been making 'processors' for 32 years.
Glad you see you're up to date.

Who was that bitching about mixing apples and oranges earlier?
- Stop comparing cars to bicycles.
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