Like I Predicted, SSE4 Crushes AMD

[mockingbird]

http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/8



SIX core Phenom is unable to keep up with a dual core, hyperthreaded (Go netburst go!), Sandy Bridge (a.k.a. Gesher).

AMD is no longer able to play the crying game and whine over Intel not licensing them SSE. Like I predicted, compilers will slowly start to really favour Intel chips for their later SSE4 iterations, and AMD chips will fall way way behind with their puny "SSE4A".

A sad day for AMD. We are back to the K6-2 days. AMD is no longer able to compete in the ultra high-end.

[Topcat]

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its a sad day for us all if you think back to the K6 days......back then, Intel raped us for processors because there was nothing competitive with them....it was AMD's K5 and K6, and should I even bring up the cyrix processor?! then out of nowhere, the K7 and K8 came out.....stomped Intel in both performance and price, which forced intel to drop prices and improve their products....looks like we're back to bending over to intel unless amd can pull yet another rabbit out of the hat.

[mockingbird]

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its a sad day for us all if you think back to the K6 days......back then, Intel raped us for processors because there was nothing competitive with them....it was AMD's K5 and K6, and should I even bring up the cyrix processor?! then out of nowhere, the K7 and K8 came out.....stomped Intel in both performance and price, which forced intel to drop prices and improve their products....looks like we're back to bending over to intel unless amd can pull yet another rabbit out of the hat.

AMD did nothing for no one. First of all for some insane reason, Intel was forced to license their stuff to them. Don't get me wrong, I despise Intel, but hear me out...

Finally, AMD releases something worthwhile... The Athlon. We're forced to either use the horribly outdated Irongate chipset or settle for Via and suffer the buggy drivers and chipsets for literally years, until nVidia saves them with the nForce 2...

All the while AMD is cheap, but nowhere near K6-2 cheap.

Comes Barcelona... First two revisions have a terrible bug which slow the chip down considerably... These chips are prices on par with Intel... And when finally... they work out the kinks, they jump to Phenom X4! That's right... All that wait... Kuma is cancelled. What shmuks. I complained for years and warned that if they didn't release the dual-core barcelona, Intel would pwn them...

AMD got greedy and decided to duke it out in the higher-end segment. They charged a fortune for the Phenoms.

Finally when they couldn't catch up to Jewish engineering (Core2Duo), they start attacking the lower end segment with too-little-too-late Kumas, only to find that ALL of their platforms coupled with nVidia ICPs in laptops and desktops have failed as a result of defective nVidia substrate engineering... In the meanwhile Intel has DOMINATED BOTH the lower end segment and the higher end. And, at the same time, has refused to license later SSE4 iterations to AMD.

AMD 'sues' Intel, and is rewarded billions in a European (read:kangaroo) 'court'.

AMD is a greedy and foolish company, a proverbial farmer who slaughters the goose that lays the golden eggs, and they should be shown no mercy. When their chips are junk, they sell them for the price of peanuts. But when people throw their support behind them to defeat "the evil empire" - that is - Intel -- and they finally release a competitive product, they become just as price uncompetetive as Intel.

On a side note I think Hector Ruiz was a terrible CEO and ruined the company.

[c_hegge]

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It's kinda sad, since not many of us can afford a $1600 Hex-core Intel. At least AMD's comparatively low performance is justified by the $340 price tag for their top end Phenom X6.

FWIW, I think I've found another good test for performance of a CPU: Flight Sim X. My signature system can't even manage 1fps when flying towards an airport at medium-high graphics settings.

[mockingbird]

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Hehe, I can't even afford a dual core... Well as soon as my caps come in and I get that dumpster motherboard working, I'll have my first dual core system (Pentium D). I just like following these things.

[ratdude747]

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its called pentium dual core. cheap and dual core... but AMD still wins in the price vs performance category. so what intel is faster now. the vast majority of users cannot afford high end intel but high end AMD is within reach.

sure the mclaren f1 was the fastest production car but most people could not afford one... right now intel is in the same category imho.

[Topcat]

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AMD did nothing for no one...

I stopped reading at that. You obviously know nothing of business or computer 'history' if you will. I'm not an AMD fanboy, I've always had intel-based systems for my own use, and still do (dual quadcore xeon 5520's)....but the crap you're spouting is just that..... Do some research, focusing on the K5 and K6 days and then through the K7 days. The Athlon64 (clawhammer) stomped the crap out of Intel's first 64 bit CPU's (Itanium iirc) in both performance and price.

As for the lawsuits, that's just part of the game my friend. It's a dog and pony show, just like the silly BS that goes on between Apple and HTC over their dopey cell phones.

[mockingbird]

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The Athlon64 (clawhammer) stomped the crap out of Intel's first 64 bit CPU's (Itanium iirc) in both performance and price.

Sir, you're mixing apples with oranges. Itanium is Intel's RISC-based segment.

but AMD still wins in the price vs performance category

There's a finer line now when a dual-core, hyperthreaded Sandy Bridge Gesher chip is beating a six core Phenom.

Couple that with the fact that with AMD, you're stuck with their reportedly buggy southbridge (Though admittedly, I couldn't reproduce any bugs), people are going to start looking at this new integrated Intel platform a lot more seriously.

[ratdude747]

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Sir, you're mixing apples with oranges. Itanium is Intel's RISC-based segment.

last i checked the itanic was not RISC. it is not CISC nor is it RISC, but EPIC.

[Topcat]

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You missed the point, or you ignored it because you know I'm right.

AMD added the only source of competition for Intel. Had it not been for AMD, Intel would be happy with us all still running 233MMX CPU's, and charging us $500.00 a piece for them. The competition forced the R&D, new technologies, and lower prices. If you noticed, when the competition got fierce, the technology went crazy and the prices plummeted. AMD goes under (or never existed), the competition is gone.....and we all know what happens when a company like Intel has a monopoly.....just ask Microsoft.

[NxB]

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Wow a 15fps lead in a new game that heavily uses sse4.

Core "I" architecture vs AMDs old phenom II architecture. AMD really hasn't answered I7 yet, the C2 stuff is doing worse than Phenom II. They are the real matchup. Price wise you could have had 2 AMD chips for what C2 cost. Now you can have like 3.

Ithanium wasnt only 64 bit risc. They were trying to make 64 bit extensions for several processors right up till c2d. AMD stomped them all.

AMD is a generation behind because they haven't released their next level processor. Intel withholding SSE4 probably has something to do with it.

[NxB]

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[ratdude747]

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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...-hollywood-drm

for sure not recommending sandy bridge... here AMD bulldozer...

[Trinite]

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Ithanium wasnt only 64 bit risc. They were trying to make 64 bit extensions for several processors right up till c2d. AMD stomped them all.

AMD didn't stomp them all. IA-64 is in many ways superior to x86-64. The downside is that IA-64 isn't backward compatible with x86, except through software. The big reason for the mass adoption of x86-64 was that Microsoft did not want to rewrite their OSes for a different architecture and wanted to stick with x86. Thus, MS used it's leverage to force Intel into licensing x86-64 from AMD (actually, Intel licensed SSE3 to AMD in exchange for x86-64, IIRC). Before C2D, Intel did implement x86-64 into its Prescott core, but the Prescott architecture performed so poorly (except as a heater) that a slower-clocked AMD64 chip could easily beat it in nearly everything.

The problem ended up being that AMD became really complacent with it's Athlon 64 line and did little to innovate until C2D was released - which has had the unfortunate consequences of leaving AMD nearly a generation behind trying to play catchup.

[mockingbird]

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AMD added the only source of competition for Intel. Had it not been for AMD, Intel would be happy with us all still running 233MMX CPU's, and charging us $500.00 a piece for them.

Yes, so instead of Intel giving Microsoft the ability to write terribly bloated operating systems which only run on insanely fast chips, we might have had a competitor in the software market that would have produced a commercially viable OS. (Ubuntu is not ready for the mass market, and it will never be).

You're like those people who give excuses for shopping at wal-mart (I refuse to even look at their flyers). "Well, if we didn't have Chinese slavery producing dirt cheap goods fo rus, we would have to pay 10 times the price". In the meantime, what has happened? Instead of people ensuring that they could secure good jobs to PAY for what might have been made in America, now we NEED our stuff to be produced in China.

Ergo, I should revise, AMD has done nothing GOOD for no one. Someone once said "You're doing very well for yourself, but you aren't doing any good".

The competition forced the R&D, new technologies, and lower prices. If you noticed, when the competition got fierce, the technology went crazy and the prices plummeted.

In the early 90s there was an operating system called BeOS which ran fantastically on relatively primitive hardware. Let's again consider the fact that the rate of inflation for programming efficieny VS. chip speed has increased EXPONENTIALLY.

In 1998, I had a Celeron 300a @ 450. I was quite content. The games didn't look as good as they do now, but they were lots of fun. Now the games look great but the games are no fun, and the entire computer gaming industry is probably going to collapse entirely.

Take a step back and look at the big picture. What did all this competition bring? "Moore's Law" is not practical, it's insanity.

AMD goes under (or never existed), the competition is gone.....and we all know what happens when a company like Intel has a monopoly.....just ask Microsoft.

AMD is becoming a dangerous monopoly, they should not have been allowed to acquire ATI. Intel represents the Old World Order investor elite, and AMD is the glory child of the New World elite. Both companies are reprehensibles, and we don't need two reprehensible companies.

[ratdude747]

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so who DO you like? VIA?

[NxB]

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we might have had a competitor in the software market that would have produced a commercially viable OS.

Please tell me how BE was any better than linux today or before? Same unix back end with a pretty gui. Seems like people have been trying this for a while.

buntu is not ready for the mass market, and it will never be

Why, they've made great strides. Linux is gobbling up the phone market. Maybe not now but I wouldn't say never.

Take a step back and look at the big picture. What did all this competition bring? "Moore's Law" is not practical, it's insanity.

This competition brought cheap procs that didn't cost 1/2 the system. Remember how much it cost to get that celeron back in the day?

The problem ended up being that AMD became really complacent with it's Athlon 64 line and did little to innovate until C2D was released

The unfortunate truth and pretty much the only reason intel is ahead.

[mockingbird]

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Please tell me how BE was any better than linux today or before? Same unix back end with a pretty gui. Seems like people have been trying this for a while.

Consider the driving forces behind Desktop Linux and why Desktop Linux developers have abandoned it. If BE would have become viable, Linux would be a lot different today. A lot better.

Why, they've made great strides. Linux is gobbling up the phone market. Maybe not now but I wouldn't say never.

Don't generalize. Maybe UNIX is gobbling up large markets, heck, Apple OS is based on Unix.

This competition brought cheap procs that didn't cost 1/2 the system. Remember how much it cost to get that celeron back in the day?

$120.

The unfortunate truth and pretty much the only reason intel is ahead.

Ok, so we would have been stuck at 90nm, who cares!?

[Topcat]

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In 1998, I had a Celeron 300a @ 450. I was quite content. The games didn't look as good as they do now, but they were lots of fun. Now the games look great but the games are no fun, and the entire computer gaming industry is probably going to collapse entirely.

I also had the same in that era.....and if it weren't for AMD, you'd still be running that dinosaur...or something similar. I don't game anymore either, the games now don't appeal to me......but I don't think that has anything to do with the games themselves, I just outgrew the gaming phase in my life. I still play AoE1 and Starcraft1 from time to time, as a time killer when I'm bored. However, the games now are tailored for the younger gaming generation today, as they should be, that's who their primary audience is. Just because the old 'war horses' don't like the game, the kiddies will.....and it will sell. PC gaming is a dying breed though, the gaming consoles (PS, xbox, wii, etc) have made leaps and bounds the last 5 years. Hard for the PC gaming market to compete with it anymore.

Why shouldn't have AMD acquired ATI? Thats like saying nvidia shouldn't have acquired 3DFX.......that's just folly in the business world. Wake up and understand how things work, you obviously don't.

BEos was crap, I remember it. It ran on old junk because there was nothing to it. It was utterly useless. I ran it on a few things to try it out, oohh'd and awww'd at it for about 5 minutes after getting it to work, and then it was back to NT4, that actually had some real world uses.

AMD and intel are now the 'devil corporations'? I LOL'd at that. I suggest you look around at some of the other larger corporations and see how they operate before making such an idiotic comment.

Bottom line, this is nothing but business, welcome to a capitalistic free-enterprise system. They've done nothing that any other corporation or even small business wouldn't do, and it was nothing illegal or wrong.

[mockingbird]

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Wake up and understand how things work, you obviously don't.

You've obviously never heard of antitrust laws. nVidia buying 3dfx... not such a big deal... 3dfx was an arrogant and bloated company, they did them a favour. When was the last time someone said to themselves "It's such a shame Glide isn't around anymore". Not to mention that DOSBox will emulate Glide pretty soon, and already does to some extent.

Bottom line, this is nothing but business, welcome to a capitalistic free-enterprise system.

Monopolistic capitalism (vs. competetive capitalism) is worse than communism.