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    Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

    I'm not sure if Chemicon has TMZ series in their line up.

    The one in the left is TMZ, brown (ugly) color, with vent like mercedes but the line feel like those taiwan caps (look @ willawake's Asus TUSL2-C for better explanation).

    The one on right is the real one, chemicon KZG 6.3v 1000uF with brown shiny color and flat top.



    My digital camera sucks. My sony analog hi8 handycam is better for macro mode, unfortunately it's not on my hand right now..
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    Last edited by yanz; 06-07-2006, 10:32 PM.
    days are so short when you actually do something..
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    #2
    Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

    bump.
    days are so short when you actually do something..

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      #3
      Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

      Could be a Samyoung, which is supposed to be a Chemicon technology licensee. They tend to have equivalents of the common Chemicon series - however, the logo is a distinctive circle with three small arcs sticking out.

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        #4
        Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

        it could be. but there are no dot in the logo. i have seen some samyoung lxv caps that look like chemicon. even that samyoung is shinny, this one looks like there are a hair behind the jackets..
        days are so short when you actually do something..

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          #5
          Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

          Originally posted by linuxguru
          Could be a Samyoung, which is supposed to be a Chemicon technology licensee. They tend to have equivalents of the common Chemicon series - however, the logo is a distinctive circle with three small arcs sticking out.
          Actually, Samyoung is an ally of Nippon Chemi-Con.
          My first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.

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            #6
            Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

            TMZ
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              #7
              Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

              Then on the other hand look what I just found in an ad.
              Apparently both CC and Samsung have a TMZ series.
              Giveaway is the CC Logo/Shield on the caps shown.
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              Mann-Made Global Warming.
              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
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              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
              - Dr Seuss
              -
              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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                #8
                Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                Ah! That black TMZ is not hard to find here in indonesian market.. Thx alot for the pic Bonez So from the pic it seems that TMZ are indeed NCC's series.. BTW is the pic yours?
                Last edited by yanz; 01-11-2008, 12:11 PM.
                days are so short when you actually do something..

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                  #9
                  Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                  Are the TMZ on the good or bad list?

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                    #10
                    Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                    Originally posted by bgavin
                    Are the TMZ on the good or bad list?
                    I have badcaps experience with TMZ in Asus P4P800-VM and Abit NF7-S2, we see.
                    My SAMXON Capacitors Database HERE!!

                    X-CON is a new brand for SAMXON's Polymer Capacitors.

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                      #11
                      Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                      I have TMZ (Chemicon) on an Asus P4G8X-Deluxe Mobo.
                      Granite Bay chipset. "Entry Level" P4 Server board from a few years back.
                      Not enough hours on it to call the TMZ good or bad though.

                      The Chemi-con brand TMZ will have the 'Chemi-con shield' logo marking on the can.

                      I haven't found a data sheet for NCC/UCC TMZ series.
                      A "Z" in a Chemi-con part number generally indicates Low Z caps as opposed to GP.

                      By where they are positioned on this board they may be just barely low ESR like PM, PW, LXZ or something.

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                      Mann-Made Global Warming.
                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                      -
                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                      - Dr Seuss
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                      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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                        #12
                        Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                        My opinion about unknown NCC TMZ caps are that these series are just for OEMs and could differentiate itself in quality. I have thes obsolete caps on AsRock mobo produced in early 2009 (w06) so they're unfortunately still in circulation

                        Also on same board there are unknown Matsushita (Panasonic Ind) EEU FL series 1500uF/6.3V fi10x11.2 that resemble by coatings to FC/FM/FR series but their specifications are hidden from public.


                        Originally posted by PCBONEZ View Post
                        I haven't found a data sheet for NCC/UCC TMZ series.
                        A "Z" in a Chemi-con part number generally indicates Low Z caps as opposed to GP.
                        Yes Z usually means low-Z and TM are usual markings on 105°C standard caps (ex. Jamicon). So this could be value 105°C with low-Z liquid fillings.


                        Originally posted by yanz View Post
                        Ah! That black TMZ is not hard to find here in indonesian market.. Thx alot for the pic Bonez So from the pic it seems that TMZ are indeed NCC's series.. BTW is the pic yours?
                        Yep they should be NCC considering markings, but this ones looks like Ost/G-Luxon/Matsushita which all have lacquered-black sleeves with goldenish letters. While all TMZ i saw on boards on boards are KZG lookalikes, with matte-brown sleeves and grey-white letters.
                        Last edited by krcko; 12-22-2010, 01:22 AM.

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                          #13
                          Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                          I'm glad you resurrected this thread, because I've read it before, trying to find some info on the tons of TMZ I have gathered over time, and PCBONEZ' link is since dead.

                          It would be nice to have a datasheet for this series, and you're also saying that longevity wise, TMZ is unreliable?

                          Also, FL is not unknown. True, it is hidden, but people here know about it. IIRC it is slightly less ESR than Panasonic FJ so I think it is equivalent to something between Nichicon HZ and Nichicon HN.
                          "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                          -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                            #14
                            Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                            TMZ is likely real. I've seen them on older Intel boards. I'll see if I have one in the parts bin that I can pull off and measure its ESR to get an idea where it falls as far as specs go.

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                              #15
                              Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                              So I measured the TMZ. I had an 8x11 TMZ, so I compared it to other 8x11 caps.

                              It is lower ESR than 8x11 ZL/KZE/WX/HD

                              It is higher ESR than 8x11 MBZ/KZG/WG/HM

                              It read the same ESR as 8x11 Panasonic FM as far as my ESR meter could read (2 decimal places).

                              So...spec-wise it appears to be better than KZE, worse than KZG. Reliability wise...I haven't seen any fail personally, but I've hardly seen enough of them to say one way or the other.

                              It certainly appears to be a genuine UCC cap. The sleeve, vent, bottom all look exactly like any other UCC cap.

                              Hope this info is useful for the next time somebody runs into it on a board.
                              Last edited by yyonline; 12-22-2010, 02:15 AM.

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                                #16
                                Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                                TMZ= tabloid show for teen girls who need a life...

                                i just had to say that... please don't shoot...
                                sigpic

                                (Insert witty quote here)

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                                  Originally posted by yyonline View Post
                                  So I measured the TMZ. I had an 8x11 TMZ, so I compared it to other 8x11 caps.

                                  It is lower ESR than 8x11 ZL/KZE/WX/HD

                                  It is higher ESR than 8x11 MBZ/KZG/WG/HM

                                  It read the same ESR as 8x11 Panasonic FM as far as my ESR meter could read (2 decimal places).

                                  So...spec-wise it appears to be better than KZE, worse than KZG. Reliability wise...I haven't seen any fail personally, but I've hardly seen enough of them to say one way or the other.

                                  It certainly appears to be a genuine UCC cap. The sleeve, vent, bottom all look exactly like any other UCC cap.

                                  Hope this info is useful for the next time somebody runs into it on a board.
                                  Thank you!
                                  And yes, TMZ is a valid UCC series.
                                  .
                                  Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                  -
                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                  - Dr Seuss
                                  -
                                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                  -

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                                    Originally posted by mockingbird View Post
                                    Also, FL is not unknown. True, it is hidden, but people here know about it. IIRC it is slightly less ESR than Panasonic FJ so I think it is equivalent to something between Nichicon HZ and Nichicon HN.
                                    AFAIK: FL = FJ for ESR/Ripple if in the same can size.
                                    IOW: Same grade.
                                    They just come in different Can sizes -for the- uF.
                                    -
                                    Did you see something that said otherwise?
                                    .
                                    Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                    - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                    -
                                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                    - Dr Seuss
                                    -
                                    You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                    -

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                                      I don't recall. But we'll certainly take your word for it. PCBONEZ... Have you seen failed TMZs anywhere?
                                      "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                                      -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Chemicon KZG wannabe (counterfeit).

                                        I've never seen a failed one.
                                        - But I have seen recappers changing them because they didn't know they are.
                                        .
                                        I should have measured some when I had them here but I didn't think of it.
                                        - Thanks again yyonline!
                                        - TMZ is an FM equivalent. - Good to know!
                                        .
                                        Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                        - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                        -
                                        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                        - Dr Seuss
                                        -
                                        You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                        -

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