LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

[nomoresonys]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

Another nice save, glad that monster didn't go to the landfill.

[Panczis]

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Thanks for all the hints.
Yes, with the tape or without it, when the U ribbon was disconnected, the screen was not working. Only the backlight started to work, but there was no LG logo shown up.
I'm quite happy with the current results, as I spent only 120Eur for the TV and list additional 150Eur for the parts. The bonus parts I will try to sell, as they were not needed.
Those thin lines are visible only from a really short distance. It was really exiting to learn how all those elements works togeter.

[budwich]

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ok... thanks for trying this. Just ensure we are on the same page. You did the disconnect of the "U" cable without the tape in place or with the tape in place? You are certainly close to getting this working well. Hopefully the last step is within sight. good luck.

[Panczis]

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does the "U" cable test that I suggested earlier have any impact on the display IF it does work.. or the panel does not work without your "tape mask trick"? It might help in determining if there is some smd cap on the driver board that is a problem.

The problem is in the third driver so the U ribbon doesn't affect the display. When it is disconnected, than there is no picture on the display. The line which blinks is not broken from any sides. I will try to fix the masking, to disable only the 9th pin, to chceck if those vertical lines are show due to masking too mamy pins.

[Diah]

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i dont think there are any shorted smd.. its open circuit at the panel .. so the t-con shutting down.. i faced once with 65 4K made by vestel with LG IPS panel, there was small broken at right corner down on lcd glass which it break one line on the thin film print circuit under the glass , when i terminated this part the T-CON start working..

[budwich]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

does the "U" cable test that I suggested earlier have any impact on the display IF it does work.. or the panel does not work without your "tape mask trick"? It might help in determining if there is some smd cap on the driver board that is a problem.

[Panczis]

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The second t-con works in the same way. I think that I will try to look for the broken cap right now.
The screen works, but there are horizontal stripes visible on the left side of the panel. It is visible only from a short distance

[Diah]

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Take a look at the attached picture. It seems that the most important is PIN-9. I realized that the VCC is lost, after a first 2-3 seconds, when the display boots up, and shows LG logo. On the 9-th PIN must be an error signal, because a signal appears on it, after the VCC goes to 0V. It was hard to mask only the one PIN, so i decided to mask a few first pins. After this trick, it started to work.
Now the only problem is this blinking line. Any ideas how to start? Probably it may be a bad capacitor. You are more experienced, could you advice me what to do?

so as you wrote pin 9 was active at time vcc cut off, so its sending SOS signal.. normally SOS signal will turn off the T-CON first. as i remember you wrote before you owned another T-CON, so with it trace the connectivity of this PIN9 if it goes to SPI/eeprom on T-CON via L or R

[Panczis]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

Take a look at the attached picture. It seems that the most important is PIN-9. I realized that the VCC is lost, after a first 2-3 seconds, when the display boots up, and shows LG logo. On the 9-th PIN must be an error signal, because a signal appears on it, after the VCC goes to 0V. It was hard to mask only the one PIN, so i decided to mask a few first pins. After this trick, it started to work.
Now the only problem is this blinking line. Any ideas how to start? Probably it may be a bad capacitor. You are more experienced, could you advice me what to do?

[Diah]

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I'm back, with some success

can you make remark of the 10 pins you blocked at T-CON ribbon on yours T-CON Photo

[Panczis]

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I'm back, with some success
I was able to run the LCD panel, so it doesn't stops anymore. What was done? I have blocked a error signal from the panel driver to the t-con board. With a scotch tape I blocked first 10 pins on the third ribbon, which connects the t-con and panel driver boards.
TV started, but I had to reset it wit a service remote control, as it was in the power only mode, after my previous actions. I'm attaching the message that was shown by the TV in this state. It shows the software version and a short guide how to run it to the user menu. Now I have the picture from the external source (laptop with HDMI output).
Probably I can see now, why it goes to the protection mode. There is a blinking line at the top of the screen. I made a video, how it looks.
So now I need your help guys. What should I try to check, to identify the root cause of this blinking line. The line is visible only on the bright background. With a Youtube menu, or when the black backgroud is displayes, all works fine.

Here is a link to the movie: https://photos.app.goo.gl/U6vQdPyucHBjrHT57

[Diah]

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well i never saw LG panel display logo then go protection because of driver even if the screen smashed it will display and never send signal to shut down.. but LG mainboards it function with specific IR code signal, same to lg OLED even the original RC cant turn it on but service remote turn it with power only..
this why i went to inspect the RC of this set and the operation manual of it... it till same story i writing it now.

[budwich]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

the problem with the "gross disconnecting" of the tcon to panel cables, you loose a lot of the signals that are required for the "sanity" of the system. By doing a smaller subset of the hardware "isolation", you have a better chance of getting some where in terms of system startup. Your pictures seems to show a problem more on the side than the bottom... my guess.

[Panczis]

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In post #11, on the picture driver_3_1.jpg are the two ribbons that goes to the TCON. But each pair of the driver boards is connected with the mentioned "U-ribbon". You can see the connector on the pictures "driver_3_4" and "driver _4_1".
@budwich: Thanks for the hint, I will try that. I afraid, that the broken driver is the third board, so if it is a first in line, from the TCON, than it will not start until I find the fail. I thought that with two sides of the panel, when I disconnect the half, I will get a part of the screen on. But only when all four ribbons are conencted, the logo apears. Probably the whole panel must be operational to get the proper picture on the display

[budwich]

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yes but those pictures are only focused on the board to panel cables and don't show the entire board.

[Diah]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

budwich

i asked him to show us the panel edge boards and he add photos at his post #11 no any U ribbon to see

[budwich]

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I already tried both sets, and mixed the TCONs between them, but the results is always the same. The screen disable itselfs after a LG logo, there is no menu, no other screen too. But it seems that both TCONs are accepted by both boards, so the boards and TCONs probably are fine. I have even tried with a third mainboard from the same monitor type, but the result was the same

you could try doing a slightly different "cable disconnection" test which might help isolate the bad side of the panel without impacting as much drivers so that perhaps the shutdown is not activated.
Basically, look along the bottom of the set at the edge boards. On each half of the bottom, there is likely two edge boards which are interconnected with a "U" type cable that is unclampable. Unclamp / disconnect the "U" cable. Leave all the tcon to panel cables connected. See if the set starts up differently. Do the same test again with the other side to see if there is anything different. IF you are lucky, you might get the set past protection. Go from there.

[Diah]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

did you took a look on yours monitor RC ? how it had function monitor ON OFF,, beside main power ??
i encourage you to install SmartRemote.apk and choice TV ---LG write your model 86ul3e and choice the most model option.. beside the key platter the page and you will find all what you can use to turn on.

[Panczis]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

I already tried both sets, and mixed the TCONs between them, but the results is always the same. The screen disable itselfs after a LG logo, there is no menu, no other screen too. But it seems that both TCONs are accepted by both boards, so the boards and TCONs probably are fine. I have even tried with a third mainboard from the same monitor type, but the result was the same

[Diah]

Re: LG 86ul3e-t logo blinks and then nothing (but backlight stays on)

No, there are no ribbons on the left/right side of the screen. All ribbons are at the bottom. There are 4 driver boards connected in a 2 pairs. To each pair there are two ribbons which goes from the TCON board.
This line on the screen is visible only when the third driver is connected. After a few power on actions, this line is not even visible with all the drivers connected, during the logo shows up. The screen unloads itself only with this 3rd board connected. Without it, it stays white, and the horizontal line is not visible
So I suppose that it will be a problem somewhere on this third IC driver. I will measure the capacitors next week. Those drivers boards are symetrical, so it should be possible to find the bad component by a comparision

yours panel nothings special at it... it could find at other lg tvs...
the second broken set, is there way for you to test both t-cons you have on it... if it give sign on menu or input ???