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    Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

    Hi all, long story follows so grab a cuppa

    (all component ref's take off the BN44-00159A circuit)

    I thought i had seen most faults on these types of plasma PSU (basically same as the BN44-00161A & BN44-00162A used in the 42" & 50 " Plasma models). i currently have 1 of each in for repair, usual problems initially which were dry joints around the Va FETS on 1 & a s/c Vs FET on the other.

    Replaced all FETS & associated surface mount components which usually blow & resistance checks show correct readings around the FET's now. So , switch on (on the bench not TV) ground PS_ON & that should bring the PSU(s) up nicely right ? WRONG !

    On both PSU's the PSU does start up & the Va tract generates 63v & all the lower DC voltages (5.3 ,12v 18v etc) but within a second the relays trip out. Also when the relays initially pull in you don't get the nice solid 'Click' that you should, it's a bit subdued. I'm happy that the Va & Vs circuitry is correct as i have even swapped the TX801 & 802 pulse transformers (in case of shorted turns) but that hasn't helped & the Va does generate correct voltages in the short time it's active.

    I have obviously replaced the secondary caps as well plus several caps in the standby circuit but no joy, a second after clicking on it clicks off. Once it has clicked off you can not trigger it on immediately again, you have to wait for the DC in the 22uf/400v standby reservoir cap (CB801) to drop (possibly a clue there )

    When you measure the voltage on CB801 at switch on the voltage does go to 400v DC so the PFC circuitry is being enabled but of course after the relays drop out it drops to about 320v DC

    My immediate thoughts are the Protection circuitry is kicking in but the problem is how to check it, the voltages initially look good, nothing looks stressed & the protection kicks in so quick how the heck to narrow this down.

    Maybe i'm having a silver moment & i've missed something basic but i reckon if i can find out what's causing this on one board i will find the same on the other.

    Any ideas thought etc greatly appreciated.

    Graham

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    Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

    I had one along time back that would not start (no relay click)and that was relay coil dry joint only found it by pushing on the board, I would just go round and reflow with some leaded solder as you know with these boards most times that's all it needs Flocko

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      #3
      Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

      What is the model # of tv ? I need it to look through my info

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        Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

        Flocko, it does click but immediately clicks off as if the protection is kicking in, i have resoldered all over the board, usual places such as the heatsink devices & of course the relays.

        Ltank, thanks the BN44-00159A PSU (also known as a DYP-42W2 PLUS) is used in the PS42Q97HDXXEU.

        I have done a lot of these PSU's. in fact i did 6 last week apart from these 2 & the repairs to the Va & Vs tracts went perfect , these both came in with either Va or Vs faults & i am happy these are now fixed, in any case in my experience these PSU's should power up from just the Va tract being active (PS_ON to ground) but for some reason although i get correct outputs on Va tract the relay drops out a second later. I just know i have had t his same problem a long time agi but didn't record what the cause was.

        Graham
        Last edited by nogger; 01-12-2015, 01:52 PM.

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          Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

          Anyone else any ideas :-(

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            #6
            Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

            Is the board holding a steady 5v sby when the relay clicks out ? can you check are both relays dropping out? I would check these first will give you more of a clue then think about changing ICP806 the PFC IC Flocko

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              Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

              maybe a leaky diode across the relay coil causing a short when it turns on.
              being across a coil, you wont see it on a meter in circuit.

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                Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

                The standby 5v never flickers, it holds steady .The PFC circuit is working because when the Relays initially click in the voltage on the 22/400v standby cap goes to 400v, after the relays drop out it drops to about 330v. Strange i have exact same symptom on 2 seperate (but closely related) power boards.

                Graham
                Last edited by nogger; 01-13-2015, 01:41 PM.

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                  Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

                  Originally posted by nogger View Post
                  Flocko, it does click but immediately clicks off as if the protection is kicking in, i have resoldered all over the board, usual places such as the heatsink devices & of course the relays.

                  Ltank, thanks the BN44-00159A PSU (also known as a DYP-42W2 PLUS) is used in the PS42Q97HDXXEU.

                  I have done a lot of these PSU's. in fact i did 6 last week apart from these 2 & the repairs to the Va & Vs tracts went perfect , these both came in with either Va or Vs faults & i am happy these are now fixed, in any case in my experience these PSU's should power up from just the Va tract being active (PS_ON to ground) but for some reason although i get correct outputs on Va tract the relay drops out a second later. I just know i have had t his same problem a long time agi but didn't record what the cause was.

                  Graham
                  Hi,
                  I've got ps42q97HD fitted with faulty bn44-00161a
                  I've got also ps50q97HD fitted with bn44-00189a, power supply fully working.
                  How to make it working in 42" tv?
                  After fitting PSU from 50 to 42" has been working fine til I switched the TV off.
                  bn44-00189a working fine in 50" TV

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung PSU's BN44-00159A & BN44-00189A Identical Faults

                    The 50 inch power supply should work on the 42 inch tv. What r the symptoms on the 42 inch? Same with both psu? Might be a short on the ysus board which i experienced before.

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