samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

I am sure you have some diode in one of the spare boards you have.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

I am sure you have some diode in one of the spare boards you have.

popped in a pr1005, rated at 600, now getting the same .058 both ways in diode, on ohm I get 63.5 and 62.8 in other direction, still trying to wrap my little brain around soldering the cap in parallel on the a board, Thanks.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

with only g board hooked up, getting 6.45 on stby, and no other voltages, i think thats normal with just the one board hooked up, now I think I need to jumper my board from stby to p-on, not seeing a ps-on, do I need to leave the jumper connected or is it just touch and release?, Thanks.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

OK, try soldering another cap in parallel with that cap, anything between 47~100uF 10VDC, the white bar on that cap is POSITIVE so make sure the positive of the added cap goes to that bar side. See if it changes the symptom on the screen.

will try my best to figure out how to do it, Thanks budm.

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

popped in a pr1005, rated at 600, now getting the same .058 both ways in diode, on ohm I get 63.5 and 62.8 in other direction, still trying to wrap my little brain around soldering the cap in parallel on the a board, Thanks.

As I indicated, the Diode is connected in parallel with the relay coil (62 Ohms), it is snubber to reduce the kick back voltage from the relay coil back into the circuit and damage the drive transistor. This section of the power supply board is not the problem, you are looking at the wrong place.
http://electronics.stackexchange.com...-or-transistor

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

crap, was looking and found this burn mark on connector wires from a board to g board, wonder what caused this, thinking its bad.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

better pic.

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

But are the conductors still show continuities between each end of the wires?

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

But are the conductors still show continuities between each end of the wires?

inlets are tiny, multi meter probes wont fit.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

think I would need small needles or such to make connection.

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

That is what I use, sewing needles, or small resistor/diode legs.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

thanks budm, used a bread tie, they're at 2.3, guess thats not the problem, thought I was onto something for a minute there.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

all my g board voltages test good, must be on the a board, I'll try the cap in parallel, you pointed to, does that mean put it on top of the other part, like I would a fuse?, thanks.

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

You are just putting the cap in parallel with that black cap just to see if it has any affect, it is tricky soldering works due to not much pads on the SMD cap to tack on the added cap legs, just remember that the white bar of that SMD cap is POSITIVE.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

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Visitor: needfirmware for LN-S4051DX/XAA.
Visitor: Read on your site about the bad firmware on these and other models.
Lindsey: Just to confirm, are we connected on the chat?
Visitor: yes.
Visitor: Read on your site about the bad firmware on these and other models.
Visitor: needfirmware for LN-S4051DX/XAA.
Visitor: you there?
Lindsey: Yes, I am there.
Visitor: Read on your site about the bad firmware on these and other models.
Visitor: needfirmware for LN-S4051DX/XAA.
Lindsey: I will be right with you.
Visitor: ok, thanks.
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Noel: I understand that you are looking for firmware update on your TV. Am I correct?
Visitor: yes.
Noel: Thank you for the confirmation.
Visitor: read on samsung site these aand others had bad firmware.
Noel: I see that there is no any firmware update on the above model.
Visitor: now what, and why?
Noel: Could you provide me with the link of the bad firmware which you have read?
Visitor: if I cant get a simple bit of firmware, then WHY should I ever buy another samsung product?????
Visitor: might take a while, read it yesterday.
Noel: Firmware updates are released by Samsuhg for the 2011 and higher models.
Noel: Firmware updates are released by Samsung for the 2011 and higher models.
Visitor: so anything older than 3 years, samsung just pays no attention to?
Visitor: not good business practice.
Noel: I know how bad you feel, however we will take this as feedback in notice.
Visitor: is there anywhere I can go to get this firmware?
Visitor: Heaven forbid I should trouble the product maker for it.
Noel: Firmware should be released by Samsung. As If now Firmware updates are released by Samsung for the 2011 and higher models.
Visitor: well thats too bad for me AND for samsung, because I'll never buy another samsung product, and I'll blog it all over that samsung dont give a SHIT about its customers.
Visitor: thanks for absolutely NOTHING.
Visitor: and the survey gets ffffffffffffffffffff
Visitor: FAIL
Noel: I do understand your concern, the updates might be released in the future.
Visitor: B S
Visitor: samsung shoots itself in the foot again, how long will they last.
Visitor: NOT VERY.
Noel: However I will take this as a feedback in notice.
Visitor: TAKE IT TO THE SUPERVISOR
Noel: Once the firmware updates are released we will let you know.
Visitor: I WANT IT NOW.
Visitor: I PAID 3,000 DOLLARS FOR THIS TV
Visitor: UNDERSTAND??????????
Noel: Please do not disconnect the chat while I transfer it to my supervisor.
Visitor: RIGHT.
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Steven: Hello, I am the supervisor of Noel.
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Visitor: I need a simple piece of firmware, for this 3,000 dollar tv.
Steven: I understand that you are looking for the firmware update for the TV.
Steven: I will be glad to assist you with the information.
Visitor: thanks.
Steven: Are you experiencing any issue with the TV?
Visitor: yes, the firmware needs replaced.
Visitor: read about the bad firmware right on samsung.
Visitor: why is it so hard to get?
Visitor: samsung must have had it available at some point.
Visitor: right?
Visitor: it don't cost samsung anything.
Steven: I truly understand your requirement. However, the firmware update is not available for the TV.
Steven: Please tell me the exact issue you are experiencing with the TV.
Visitor: I just want to put it on my tv. it did cost 3 grand after all.
Visitor: snowy picture no menu.
Visitor: its firmware
Visitor: a storm messed up the firmware.
Visitor: happens all the time.
Visitor: not to me all the time but its a very common ocurance.
Steven: I understand your concern with this issue.
Steven: I see that there are no reported issues with the TV.
Steven: From how long you are experiencing this issue with the TV?
Visitor: since the storm messed up the firmware.
Visitor: what are you saying, samsung threw all the firmware away.
Visitor: I'll be blogging about this, for sure.
Visitor: how much business does samsung need to lose over a piece of free firmware?????
Visitor: what a joke.

Steven: I relate to what you have said as a consumer.
Steven: I am sorry; to know that.
Steven: Are you able to perform some troubleshooting steps to isolate the issue?
Visitor: yes.
Visitor: if I alredy tried it, I'll just say next.
Steven: Just to confirm; did you check with multiple sources like DVD, cable box etc and the issue persists on Menu screen?
Visitor: next.
Visitor: there is no menu period, firmware is borked.
Steven: Thank you for performing the steps. We appreciate your efforts.
Visitor: also putting this useless dialogue in my blog.
Visitor: blogs.
Steven: In this case what best I can do is I will escalate the case to our executive customer relation department and you will receive a call with in 2 business days with the information.
Visitor: how wonderful, I won't hold my breath.


Steven: Just to confirm, are we connected on the chat?

Steven: Thank you for the details.
Visitor: just send it on a thumb drive.
Visitor: how hard can it be???
Visitor: what do you need, another 2 bucks postage, on top of the 3 grand???
Steven: Sure, I will update the ticket as per your concern.


Steven: Thank you.
Steven: Could you give me a few minutes while I gather document the case and provide you with the transaction number?
Visitor: yes
Steven: Thank you.
Steven: I appreciate your time and patience.
Steven: I have escalated the case.
Visitor: all this bs for firmware.
Visitor: something is wrong here.
Visitor: why does samsung take down the firmware in the first place???
Steven: I can understand how important this is to you. I have mentioned the concern in the ticket, you will receive a call from the Executive customer relations department.
Visitor: when net month?
Visitor: next month?
Steven: The firmware update will be released when there is an issue with the TV.
Steven: No, you will receive the call within within 2 business days with the information.
Visitor: theres been many issues.
Visitor: the other guy already said they don't have anything older than 2011, no matter how much I paid for it, which is not good business.
Visitor: not too many people want to pay as much for their tv as they do for their car.
Visitor: at a thousand dollars a year.
Steven: I relate to what you have said as a consumer. I have documented the issues with the TV, the ECR department will contact you and discuss with you about the issue.
Steven: The appropriate team will work on this issue.
Steven: Please wait for the call back from the ECR department.
Visitor: so your saying when theres an issue with this tv model, samsung will release firmware?
Visitor: and your not just taking it off the site to sell more tvs, which will not work anyway.
Visitor: what are people suppose to do, when a storm messes up their firmware.
Visitor: buy another tv??????
Visitor: not happening.
Steven: The firmware update will be released when there is software related issues.
Steven: The firmware will update the software of the TV. If there is any storm and there is an issue with the TV, the device requires a service.
Visitor: of course you realize, that if people can't get firmware for samsung tvs, they will just buy other brands, where the site has firmware readily available, wihout hassle.
Visitor: nope.
Visitor: just requires firmware.
Steven: I truly understand your requirement. As I have already escalated the issue, you will receive a call from the ECR department and they discuss with you about the firmware, our team will work on this issue.
Steven: Just to confirm, are we connected on the chat?
Visitor: I'll hold off on my blogs, but it doesn't look good.
Steven: I can understand how important this is to you. Please wait for the callback from the ECR department
Visitor: you need at least an archive of firmware, it's just good practice, if you want to keep customers.
Steven: I will take this as a feedback.
Steven: Is there anything else I can assist you with?
Visitor: ok, we'll see, I'm done for now, waiting on call.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

long story short, if your tv is more than 3 years old, samsung WILL NOT help you, in any WAY SHAPE OR FORM, PERIOD!!!

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

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Originally Posted by nomoresonys View Post
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow.../LNS4051DX/XAA found this but no firmware available, there must be some someplace.
looks like another needle in a haystack type of situation.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

You are just putting the cap in parallel with that black cap just to see if it has any affect, it is tricky soldering works due to not much pads on the SMD cap to tack on the added cap legs, just remember that the white bar of that SMD cap is POSITIVE.

finally located a 10v 47uf, soldered it on, no difference, do I have to unsolder it, or it just won't hurt to leave it in?, thanks.

[budm]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

No need to unsolder the old one, so the more troubleshooting.

[nomoresonys]

Re: samsung LN-S4051D diagnal lines

That model tv is known for bad panels. I would change the caps,and diodes to see if any thing changes.

hi splitcrete, you think I should change the power supply caps even tho my voltages are all correct or do you mean on the a board?, Thanks.