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  • reaper57
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    HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

    Hi, guys this is my first thread here and I hope you can help me out.
    I have this HITACHI P50TP01E that had no picture just a blue light blinking 4 times. I read online that it was a power supply problem (later when reading the service manual I found out that it could a lot more than just the PS), so I changed some caps on it, they weren't bad, but more than 6 years old. This did not improve my issue. After reading some threads (tom66's guide for fixing plasmas was of most help, so thank you for the great guide), I found out that unpluging one of the Y-buffers could start the tv if one of them is the problem. So after removing the lower one, nothing. But after removing the other one the tv would start with no blinking lights (and no picture, not even the part of the screen with the connected Y-buffer was working), just a solid blue light, as normaly. So I turned the TV on and off a few times and it was stil the same. I found that one of the chips on the removed board is fried. I wanted to check the Va and Vs so I turned the TV on again after ~1 hour and there was picture in the lower part of the screen, but is was just green snow and lines, and after ~1-2s I heard a pop and smoke was comming from the back of the tv. I turned it off and found another on the "working" board (it had no visble signs before the pop and the smoke). So I asked a friend who's been fixing TVs for the last 20 years about it and he told me to desolder the faulty chips and that's what I did. The tv worked but with green snow and lines, there were also white lines now. But when I turned it on I didn't conect the cables that were in front of the fried chips. I have a video of this. After conecting them the TV worked with no green lines or snow, but the white lines where still there (I guess it's because of the removed chips).
    After 2-3 minutes of being turned on there was another pop and more smoke so I desoldered the newly burned chip. And after 10 minutes one more chip was fried, all of the chips fried by me are on the lower board. I tried touching the chips before the last time one of them failed and the weren't even very warm. So before ordering new boards I want to check the rest of the TV.
    Can anyone tell me how to test the FETs on the Y-sus board? I can desolder them, but I don't know what voltage and where I should I apply it to see if the FETs work.
    I'll post my pictures, videos and part numbers below. All of the pictures are after desoldering the chips I couldn't take a photo in the 2s I got the first time. xD
    P.S. The Vs was 0.6v over the one marked on the sticker, but I lowered it a bit and it's 0.4v over the default one now.

    nd60200-0047/8 - Y-Buffer
    nd60200-0046 - Y-sus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9j...ature=youtu.be

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyTx...ature=youtu.be

    Any help and sugestions are welcome!
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  • tw2005
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    Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

    I'd be thinking if you managed to get this running with the buffer ics removed and part picture the sustain is probably ok. From the few panasonic Sc boards I've done the transistors short. So if you did have bad FEts they'd be shorted but I could not imagine the board running with a short . Check them in cct for shorts if you're worried .

    never touched a Hitachi.

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    • reaper57
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      Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

      Originally posted by tw2005
      I'd be thinking if you managed to get this running with the buffer ics removed and part picture the sustain is probably ok. From the few panasonic Sc boards I've done the transistors short. So if you did have bad FEts they'd be shorted but I could not imagine the board running with a short . Check them in cct for shorts if you're worried .

      never touched a Hitachi.
      Thank you for the reply.
      It seems logical that the Y-sus is ok, but why do chips keep getting fried after a few minutes of work? Is it because some of the chips are removed?
      I just want to be sure that the new boards don't get fried, because of a faulty Y-sus, or maybe something else?
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      • tom66
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        Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

        Try checking the Vscan voltage across the buffer boards. It shouldn't exceed 200V, ideally in the 120~160V range.
        (E.x. testing point - one end of R812 to groundplane of buffer.)
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        • reaper57
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          Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

          Originally posted by tom66
          Try checking the Vscan voltage across the buffer boards. It shouldn't exceed 200V, ideally in the 120~160V range.
          (E.x. testing point - one end of R812 to groundplane of buffer.)
          Well, I just tried that, another chip fried a few seconds after I turned the tv on. :P
          Last edited by reaper57; 10-02-2014, 07:03 AM.
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          • reaper57
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            Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

            P.S. Again on the lower buffer.
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            • tom66
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              Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

              Well, you will have to be quicker next time... something is clearly amiss with the Vscan supply as I can't think of anything else that would cause that.
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              • reaper57
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                Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                Originally posted by tom66
                Well, you will have to be quicker next time... something is clearly amiss with the Vscan supply as I can't think of anything else that would cause that.
                Well I did short it by mistake... It was when checking the Vs at the power supply port, there was a flash, but the tv didn't even turn off. And it was before the tv even gave any picture, it was before I started removing chips and after I removed one of the buffers. And after a few restarts the tv kept giving me the same black screen as before. My friend told me that I probably just drained the caps.
                I just desoldered the bad chip and am about to clean the solder. And a quick question the current at R812 is DC right?
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                • tom66
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                  Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                  DC wrt to the floating ground point (buffer ground plane), but AC wrt to the chassis.
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                  • reaper57
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                    Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                    Originally posted by tom66
                    DC wrt to the floating ground point (buffer ground plane), but AC wrt to the chassis.
                    My multimeter was set to DC and started making buzzing noise with the negative probe touching the chassis. Can you help me locate a place to get the floating ground point from? Or will using the chassis work?
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                    • tom66
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                      Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                      See here
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                      • reaper57
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                        Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                        Ok, I did what you asked me, two times. The first time the Vsc was 125v and went up to 212v when picture appeared then down to 180v when the picture changed (probably a message appeared, it was on AV so it was searching for signal I guess the message was about that, but for me it was just white lines), then it went up to 212v again and 180v when white lines appeared in the middle of the screen (a no signal found message I think)
                        The second time, 100v at start, 90v for less than a second, 212v on the first white lines, then 180v, then 105v for 2s and then 180v at the second white lines.
                        The voltages that appeared only for a little could be because the tv starts with no indication about which input it's set to then is says AV at the top and then it disappears.
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                        • tom66
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                          So that was DC volts, red on red circle, black on black circle? If so, your Vscan supply has a serious issue... this is what is destroying your buffer boards, I suspect.
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                          • reaper57
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                            Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                            Originally posted by tom66
                            So that was DC volts, red on red circle, black on black circle? If so, your Vscan supply has a serious issue... this is what is destroying your buffer boards, I suspect.
                            Yes, that is correct negative on black positive on red. Also after removing the last chip the picture ot the top of the screen (the only one that was normal) started vibrating, but I suspect that might be because of the missing components from the buffers, and maybe this is the same reason that the voltage isn't stable? All of the cables going into the Y-sus are comming from the X-sus, so that probably means that the problem could be in the X-sus, right?

                            When changing the caps on the power supply there were two 270uf caps and one of the 270uf caps I had, when measured showed only 245uf so I put that in with a 330uf cap that showed 290uf. I think that they are filtering the same current so the effect should be the same as having two caps at ~260-270uf right?
                            I've marked the changed caps with red.
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                            • reaper57
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                              Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                              Do you (or anyone) have any ideas about what could be causing unstable the voltage? Also can someone, kindly explain to me, how to test the Y-sus, X-sus and anything else that might be the the reason for my problem? I have no problem with desoldering MOSFETs/FETs and testing each and everyone of them. Btw huge thanks for the help so far.
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                              • tom66
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                                Do you have an oscilloscope available?
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                                • reaper57
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                                  Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                                  Originally posted by tom66
                                  Do you have an oscilloscope available?
                                  No, unfortunately I do not, I have a capacitance meter, though. But do you think that the caps have gotten so bad that they are messing up the voltage this bad (or is the oscilloscope for testing something else, sorry I'm new to these types of devices)?

                                  P.S. I scraped a 50" Samsung plasma with a cracked panel a day ago (I don't have it at home, and I don't remember the model, but I will check it tomorrow and post it here). The boards aren't the same, but some of the components should be the same, and if needed I could swap FETs, caps, ICs etc, between the TVs.
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                                  • tom66
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                                    Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                                    There appears to be a small white transformer near the bottom of the Y-sus / Y-drive board, can you get a picture of it?
                                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...8&d=1412248465
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                                    • reaper57
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                                      Re: HITACHI P50TP01E Y-Buffers/Sus problem

                                      Originally posted by tom66
                                      There appears to be a small white transformer near the bottom of the Y-sus / Y-drive board, can you get a picture of it?
                                      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...8&d=1412248465
                                      The pictures are in the attachments and the model of the samsung tv I scraped is PS-50Q97HD.
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                                      • tom66
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                                        Hmm, looked like one but it isn't.
                                        Can you get a clear close up photo of the whole Y-sus... if necessary split it into several images to ensure they are clear and in focus.
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