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  • sergio2013
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    • Mar 2013
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    #81
    Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

    Originally posted by capkid
    ok, one sec. I have the LJ41-08592 Y-main in front of me.
    Ok

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    • capkid
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      • Oct 2010
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      #82
      Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

      Hmm, I'm noticing anything out of the ordinary. 2, 3, and 6: You can further test by holding black on pin 3 while quickly touching red to pin 1 then moving red to pin 2. Should get something like 0.5V.
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      • sergio2013
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        • Mar 2013
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        #83
        Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

        Originally posted by capkid
        Hmm, I'm noticing anything out of the ordinary. 2, 3, and 6: You can further test by holding black on pin 3 while quickly touching red to pin 1 then moving red to pin 2. Should get something like 0.5V.
        You are noticing something wrong, or your not noticing anything?

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        • capkid
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          • Oct 2010
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          #84
          Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

          Originally posted by sergio2013
          You are noticing something wrong, or your not noticing anything?
          Sorry, NOT noticing anything strange.
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          • sergio2013
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            • Mar 2013
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            #85
            Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

            Originally posted by capkid
            Sorry, NOT noticing anything strange.
            Oh ok, I did the test on 2 3 and 6 and they are perfect as well.

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            • capkid
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              • Oct 2010
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              #86
              Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

              I wonder if the VS and VA voltages stay up without the Y-buffer connected. I'd be careful if you try that. I've found that the Y-main holds a charge, so you could possibly damage the Y-buffer if you don't wait for the charge to dissipate before reconnecting them. I had to wait at least 15 mins, and I checked voltages at the Y-main-to-Y-buffer connectors to be sure. You can force the discharge by using a resistor on the Y-main's capacitors (one resistor lead on pos and the other lead on neg) - can't remember the resistor value needed to do this.
              Last edited by capkid; 05-01-2013, 04:11 AM.
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              • sergio2013
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                • Mar 2013
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                #87
                Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                Originally posted by capkid
                I wonder if the VS and VA voltages stay up without the Y-buffer connected. I'd be careful if you try that. I've found that the Y-main holds a charge, so you could possibly damage the Y-buffer if you don't wait for the charge to dissipate before reconnecting them. I had to wait at least 15 mins, and I checked voltages at the Y-main-to-Y-buffer connectors to be sure. You can force the discharge by using a resistor on the Y-main's capacitors (one resistor lead on pos and the other lead on neg) - can't remember the resistor value needed to do this.
                Just tried that since the board been out of the TV all this time while I was doing the testing on it and the values still don't hold up without the Y-Buffer connected

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                • 1997eclipsegst
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                  • Feb 2013
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                  #88
                  Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                  The tv I worked on was a RCA 42PA30RQ with these Samsung internals. The power supply would not stay at panel voltage with the X-main disconnected.

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                  • sergio2013
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                    • Mar 2013
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                    #89
                    Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                    Originally posted by 1997eclipsegst
                    The tv I worked on was a RCA 42PA30RQ with these Samsung internals. The power supply would not stay at panel voltage with the X-main disconnected.
                    Well that explains that then, thanks for your input.

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                    • capkid
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                      • Oct 2010
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                      #90
                      Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                      Well, I'm out of ideas at this point. Maybe Tom has other thoughts.
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                      • sergio2013
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                        • Mar 2013
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                        #91
                        Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                        Originally posted by capkid
                        Well, I'm out of ideas at this point. Maybe Tom has other thoughts.
                        Ok thanks for all your help and I hope Tom can chime in with any ideas.

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                        • tom66
                          EVs Rule
                          • Apr 2011
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                          • UK

                          #92
                          Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                          These newer Samsung will shut down if X-main or Y-main are not detected as functioning or if they are not connected.
                          Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                          For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                          • capkid
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                            • Oct 2010
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                            #93
                            Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                            Since they're so cheap, I might give another X-main a shot. However, I'd test the components on the board before installing it in the TV. If that doesn't work and the X-main blows, I'd probably replace them all at once. I still think there's a fault somewhere on the Y-main or buffer. I generally hate throwing parts at TVs, though.
                            Last edited by capkid; 05-01-2013, 02:38 PM.
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                            • sergio2013
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                              #94
                              Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                              Originally posted by capkid
                              Since they're so cheap, I might give another X-main a shot. However, I'd test the components on the board before installing it in the TV. If that doesn't work and the X-main blows, I'd probably replace them all at once. I still think there's a fault somewhere on the Y-main or buffer. I generally hate throwing parts at TVs, though.
                              Ok boys im going to start fresh, shop jimmy is sending me 2 other Y-Main and Y-Bufffer boards and I was able to source an X-Main here in my city from an authorized Samsung repair shop the board is brand new for $55. Ill wait till I have every board then test each one with the meter then install all at same time and fire it up and see what happens. Ill keep you all posted.

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                              • sergio2013
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                                #95
                                Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                Originally posted by sergio2013
                                Ok boys im going to start fresh, shop jimmy is sending me 2 other Y-Main and Y-Bufffer boards and I was able to source an X-Main here in my city from an authorized Samsung repair shop the board is brand new for $55. Ill wait till I have every board then test each one with the meter then install all at same time and fire it up and see what happens. Ill keep you all posted.
                                Good news guys, I got all 3 boards tested them all with the multimeter, they all tested good, put them all in and TV is up and working again. Thanks for all your help.

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                                • capkid
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                                  • Oct 2010
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                                  #96
                                  Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                  Originally posted by sergio2013
                                  Good news guys, I got all 3 boards tested them all with the multimeter, they all tested good, put them all in and TV is up and working again. Thanks for all your help.
                                  Nice. Even though we couldn't pinpoint the issue on the Y-Sus, I figured it was likely you'd have to replace all three boards.
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                                  • tom66
                                    EVs Rule
                                    • Apr 2011
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                                    • UK

                                    #97
                                    Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                    Remember!! If you don't want your TV to fail in short order you MUST apply the firmware update!
                                    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                                    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                                    • sergio2013
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                                      #98
                                      Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                      Originally posted by tom66
                                      Remember!! If you don't want your TV to fail in short order you MUST apply the firmware update!
                                      Even if I have updated it before with the newest firmware? I updated it just before it failed. changing the x-mail, y-mail and y-buffer doesn't destroy the new firmware I put onto it does it?

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                                      • tom66
                                        EVs Rule
                                        • Apr 2011
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                                        #99
                                        Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                        That's fine then, firmware is stored on control board and main board.
                                        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                                        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                                        • sergio2013
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                                          • Mar 2013
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                                          #100
                                          Re: Samsung PN42C430 Plasma no picture please HELP

                                          Originally posted by tom66
                                          That's fine then, firmware is stored on control board and main board.
                                          Ok, good that's what I thought. Thanks for your help.

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