Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

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  • tom66
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    • Apr 2011
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    #21
    Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

    That's in circuit right?
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    • johnboy1313
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      #22
      Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

      Yeah.

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      • tom66
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        #23
        Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

        You have your answer. The circuit will be likely different for each, resulting in different readings.
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        • johnboy1313
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          #24
          Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

          I've got the scope. Where do I take the waveform from?

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          • johnboy1313
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            #25
            Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

            YSUS waveform

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0mf4-gywA

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            • johnboy1313
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              #26
              Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

              XSUS waveform

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9auaXYXJmR4

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              • tom66
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                #27
                Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                Ugh... that Y-main wave looks really poor. X-main looks ok.

                Main thing I don't like about the Y-main wave is that there's no ramp down portion and the ramp up is very distorted. There may be a short and the board is in protect mode. Is an LED lit near the Y-main to control board connector?
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                • johnboy1313
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                  #28
                  Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                  Originally posted by tom66
                  Is an LED lit near the Y-main to control board connector?
                  Yes

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                  • tom66
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                    #29
                    Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                    This indicates the board is in protect mode and is limiting the output. There is probably a short on VSCAN or VSET; check both -- those fets you tested earlier can sometimes cause this.
                    Was that probing at 10X? Looks like only 30Vp-p to me?
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                    • johnboy1313
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                      #30
                      Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                      Yes the probe was at 10X. I'll pull ysus again and have a look at it.

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                      • tom66
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                        #31
                        Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                        Also, try with both buffer boards disconnected.
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                        • johnboy1313
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                          #32
                          Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                          The Y test point is on the upper buffer. I don't know where to take the waveform from if I disconnect the buffers.

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                          • tom66
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                            #33
                            Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                            Here.
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                            • johnboy1313
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                              #34
                              Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                              Thanks

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                              • johnboy1313
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                                #35
                                Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                Ysus waveform with buffers removed

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T-rlsz3ztQ

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                                • tom66
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                                  #36
                                  Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                  Can we get a picture with the timebase at a slower rate, around 2ms/div and 20ms/div, so I can see several fields of the sustain process? Try setting trigger to LINE to get a relatively stable trigger.
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                                  • johnboy1313
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONnGljByC7Y

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                                    • tom66
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                                      #38
                                      Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                      OK, so the only faults appear to be the Vset ramp is stunted and the -Vsc ramp is gone/missing completely. I'd start looking at those Kxxxx FETs as well as the other devices; also, check any test points of those voltages and compare to panel sticker.

                                      For reference, you should see something like this (except there will be more than one Vs pulse and most newer sustains combine the function of -Vy and -Vsetdown into -Vsc.)
                                      http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image...000735-gr1.gif
                                      Last edited by tom66; 03-26-2013, 03:31 PM.
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                                      • johnboy1313
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                                        #39
                                        Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                        I haven't been able to find any test points for Vset, Vsc, Ve, etc...

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                                        • tom66
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                                          #40
                                          Re: Another Samsung HP-T5064, Good Sound, No Picture

                                          See here for potential test points.
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