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  • Dannyx
    CertifiedAxhole
    • Aug 2016
    • 3912
    • Romania

    #1

    Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

    Good day folks. Today I had to work on a power supply/battery charger which had some parts arranged in a manner which intrigued me. It is a proprietary board that's part of an alarm panel and it also acts as a charger for a backup SLA battery. It's a very basic supply, with no proper battery management: have a look at the terminals and you'll immediately see how it works. There's a 14v output and there's a "BAT" output, which basically just ties the battery in parallel to the supply, but not directly, instead through a diode and resistor, as outlined on the doodles I did on the back. The E-C terminals correspond the emitter and collector of an optocoupler which signals the panel when mains power is present, so don't bother with that.

    When I got it, the power LED would flash intermittently as if there's a high load on the output or a short. I found D11 shorted - it is the reverse polarity protection diode which forward-biases if the battery is connected in reverse by accident, blowing the fuse (the fuse is housed inside that black box on the secondary side). I replaced it, the supply now turned on without a battery attached, but when I connected a battery, it went back to blinking again. Turns out the adjacent diode, D4, was ALSO shorted. It's paralleled with that large ceramic 10ohm resistor. I replaced it and it works, but my question is why is there a diode in parallel with the resistor and why the supply failed when it shorted ? I was expecting the diode to act as a wire between the supply's output and the battery, so I didn't expect it would shut off. I suppose bypassing the resistor (which is what the shorted diode did), placed too much of a load on the supply, even though the battery was new and full and I used to connect SLAs directly the output of power supplies before and never caused them to shut off, so perhaps I don't understand the principle of this one...it's only a handful of components - no current sensing as far as I can tell...the cluster of SMDs on the left is for feedback.

    If I'm not mistaken, when mains is present and the supply is on, the 14v from the regulated output flows through the resistor and into the battery (since D4 is reverse-biased and current can't flow through it). When the supply is off and the battery takes over, D4 is now forward biased since current flows back in the opposite direction and the rail which is normally powered by the rectifier is now powered by the battery. Still, what happens when D4 shorts ? If the battery is dead or shorted, a high load is placed on the output I believe, because the dead diode shunts that resistor entirely and places the battery (the "DUT") directly on the regulated output which doesn't appear like it can supply too high of a current, so it just shuts off. With the resistor in place, if my math is correct, shorting the battery output would result in a maximum current draw of 1.5A through the resistor: 14v/10ohms = 1.4A
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  • stj
    Great Sage 齊天大聖
    • Dec 2009
    • 30917
    • Albion

    #2
    Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

    battery+ goes through a fuse, then the diode is to ground - in reverse.
    so if some dickhead connects the battery the wrong way, it will blow the fuse instead of the board.
    you used to see this in most car audio gear.

    the 1k resistor is just a minimum load to either keep the psu running, or to discharge caps if you turn it off.

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    • Dannyx
      CertifiedAxhole
      • Aug 2016
      • 3912
      • Romania

      #3
      Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

      Originally posted by stj
      battery+ goes through a fuse, then the diode is to ground - in reverse.
      so if some dickhead connects the battery the wrong way, it will blow the fuse instead of the board.
      Yes, I believe I mentioned this - it's D11 that does this.

      Originally posted by stj
      the 1k resistor is just a minimum load to either keep the psu running, or to discharge caps if you turn it off.
      I was not referring to the small SMD resistor between the solder pads - there's a large ceramic one in series with the battery and in parallel with the diode. You can see it in the top view.
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      • stj
        Great Sage 齊天大聖
        • Dec 2009
        • 30917
        • Albion

        #4
        Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

        well you should draw a schematic, it's a bit crowded on that board!

        the diode is so the battery drives the board, the resistor across it is to provide the charging current.
        a very old an anoying circuit i used to see constantly with nicad backup batteries.

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        • Dannyx
          CertifiedAxhole
          • Aug 2016
          • 3912
          • Romania

          #5
          Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

          Yes, here's the simplified schematic of the area in question. The 10ohm resistor is the large ceramic one on the components side and the two diodes are the SMD 3a Schottkys on the back.

          In my case, the diode placed horizontally in the drawing was shorted, resulting in a short to GND, which made perfect sense, but then the one placed horizontally was also shorted, so why would that one cause the supply to shut off but only when the battery is attached ?
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          • stj
            Great Sage 齊天大聖
            • Dec 2009
            • 30917
            • Albion

            #6
            Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

            check the fuse is correct,
            the only thing i can think of is someone miss-wired or shorted the battery AND bypassed or bodged the fuse after.

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            • Dannyx
              CertifiedAxhole
              • Aug 2016
              • 3912
              • Romania

              #7
              Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

              The board is now working, like I said - I solved it on my own before posting The fuse was blown when the first diode shorted, so I replaced it and both diodes and everything's working, but I was just curious why shunting the resistor (due to the shorted diode in parallel with it) would cause a shutdown of the supply. It's more of a speculative discussion, since any component that is found faulty must replaced, even if you don't know what it does, but it sure helps to know what its purpose is and why its failure made the device not functional.
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              • stj
                Great Sage 齊天大聖
                • Dec 2009
                • 30917
                • Albion

                #8
                Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

                if the charging diode shorts and bypasses the resistor, the battery will charge with as much current as it can draw - probably much more than the psu puts out.

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                • Dannyx
                  CertifiedAxhole
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 3912
                  • Romania

                  #9
                  Re: Diode in parallel with resistor on battery charger

                  Precisely what I was thinking...strange that the battery was new and almost fully charged yet it still required enough current to shut off the supply..
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