Reliability of a standard PC power supply in a server envirornment

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  • mariushm
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    • May 2011
    • 3799

    #21
    Re: Reliability of a standard PC power supply in a server envirornment

    Ok, let me get my 2 cents in.

    The thread title is wrong imho... you're questioning the reliability in a server environment. Well, that's wrong from the start as the fact the psu is running 24/7 does no make it a server environment.

    "Server power supplies" are a bit different because generally, the ambient temperature inside a rack is sometimes higher than normal - you have up to 40 1U servers with small, noisy, high rpm coolers that cool the heatsinks inside simply by pushing air through the blades, you have also tightly packed power supplies that have small fans pushing (or pulling) air through them.

    The power supplies have to be made to work at higher temperatures because the manufacturers don't know if the server they're in will be in a cold isle or a warm isle, how much load the server is constantly under (is the server used to serve pages which means the load fluctuates through the day or is it a database server where the load is constantly high)
    And there's other factors involved which don't really matter than much for home use, like the ability of the psu to work on not so nice AC input (depending on what kind of UPS the datacenter uses) and other things.

    For a Pentium 3 computer running 24/7 these above don't really matter. The ambient temperature will be relatively the same and relatively cool, the load on that p3 computer will be minimal so the power supply won't be "stressed".

    IMHO, any power supply you'd use will run 24/7 for years with such a cheap system. I wouldn't really worry about it. I would however recommend spending 40-50$ on a new power supply, for the fact that the new power supplies, even with the so-so capacitors they have inside, are simply better efficiency designs and inherently not so warm.

    A 200w oldie will do about 65% efficiency at the 60-80w the system will use, so you'll waste about 20-30 watts in heat... if the system is 24/7 running, that's about 1 kwh wasted every 3-4 days or so, or about 10 kWh a month... about 1-2$ depending where you like, I think. It's not much, but if you plan to have the system for a few years you'll get your money back from the psu in 2-3 years so you're not really throwing money away.

    I'd recommend getting for example this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151086

    At 40$ it's a great deal, with 3 year warranty, bronze efficiency, 120mm fan so little noise... what more would you want?

    But in the end... it's a p3 you plan to use, even if the psu dies in it, why would you care... you can go to goodwill or some pawn shop or ebay or whatever and get a better system for 20-30$, it's not like you host critical stuff on that system. Having it down for a day probably won't matter to you.

    ps. if it matters, I keep my home computer in my room, running 24/7 ... with occasional restarts when software requires it. Never had any problems with my power supplies, the cheap Sirtec (high power) or this more expensive Seasonic X-650 I currenly have.

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    • 999999999
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      • Sep 2006
      • 774
      • USA

      #22
      Re: Reliability of a standard PC power supply in a server envirornment

      ^ May not be so much different than a server environment. There are non-1U, tower configuration servers which tend to have far better than average PSU AND a higher RPM fan speed. If/when a 1U PSU is used in those it's only so two of them can be stacked for redundancy behind a power sharing board.

      Server rooms are generally temperature controlled and on the scale you're suggesting, probably also have a backup generator and well filtered power, odds are a one-off server will have a harsher environment.

      Most PSU you'll find today that have little more than the capacity needed to run a home server, won't last more than 3 years 24/7 before the capacitors pop or the sleeve bearing fan wears out, though it helps quite a bit to overspec, get a PSU rated for at least 4X the average currrent consumed which seems like a lot but when you consider the typical P3 system with ACPI/HALT idling most of the time may have more power consumed by multiple HDDs spinning than the CPU and mobo itself, that puts it down around 80W average with less than 4 HDDs spinning at a time, though it depends on the type of P3 CPU too.

      There were the old (Katmai?) ~ 600MHz P3's that consumed a lot more power and might have boards with chipsets and bios where they didn't enable HALT idle state, and ended up consuming twice the average power as a later Coppermine P3 between 700MHz and 1GHz or Tualatin P3 up to 1.4GHz.. but I wouldn't use a Tualatin as I vaguely recall there were only a couple families of chipsets that supported them without hacks, one being Intel with a crippled system memory capacity and the other being Via with terrible PCI bus throughput... which could be significant considering that using such a platform for a server today might include using a PCI SATA card.

      Underclock a P3 1GHz to ~ 500MHz and undervolt it too and you may have an average power under 10W, which is about at the point where you don't need a fan on the CPU heatsink anymore, just a duct style air guide to an adjacent rear case fan or the PSU intake.

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      • mariushm
        Badcaps Legend
        • May 2011
        • 3799

        #23
        Re: Reliability of a standard PC power supply in a server envirornment

        These days, to be honest, it's not worth the person's time to mess around with a P3.

        You can get a motherboard+cpu+vga combo that's passively cooled for 75$ :

        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157320

        Atom D2500, dual core 1.86 ghz about 3-4x the cpu power of a p3/p4, passively cooled already with an adequate heatsink from factory, regular laptop ddr3, cheap memory, all you need is a hard drive and about 30-50 watts maximum of power... one of those pico itx power supplies or really any psu with 24pin connector will do.

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        • ncovert
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          • Feb 2011
          • 291
          • USA

          #24
          Re: Reliability of a standard PC power supply in a server envirornment

          Originally posted by mariushm
          These days, to be honest, it's not worth the person's time to mess around with a P3.

          You can get a motherboard+cpu+vga combo that's passively cooled for 75$ :

          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157320

          Atom D2500, dual core 1.86 ghz about 3-4x the cpu power of a p3/p4, passively cooled already with an adequate heatsink from factory, regular laptop ddr3, cheap memory, all you need is a hard drive and about 30-50 watts maximum of power... one of those pico itx power supplies or really any psu with 24pin connector will do.
          You're right, but I am on a budget and it will only be running BOINC at 50% load. If I were building a web/file server, I would take your advise.

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