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    Cheapo PSU recapped

    Found this PSU in the junk pile.

    Plugged it in, 5VSB measured ~1.8V and rails were dead when the paper clip power on was used. Checked with scope - nice 50kHz ripple from 1V to 4V on 5VSB.

    Pulled the case open and unsurprisingly found a three bulged Teapos. One on 5VSB and two on the 3.3V.

    Checked the 5VSB cap (470u 16V) for ESR - about 3 ohms. Replaced that (Panasonic FC - 680u 16V), as well as some other caps. The output LC cap for 5VSB measured >20 ohms & leaky, so replaced that with a Rubycon ZLH 1000u 16V. (Originally a pathetic 100u.) Checked power for PWM controller - 100u 35V, replaced with Chemicon KMG 100u 50V. (Checked this cap later on ESR meter - measured 0.5 ohms, probably out of spec.) Checked the 3.3V caps (2200u 6.3V) - both had ESR about 5 ohms(!) Replaced them with Chemicon KZE 3300u 16V.

    I also fixed some cold solder joints around the main switching transistors.

    All these caps I had lying around as spares left over from TV repairs. PSU now works 5.2Vstby, but still main rails don't fire up.

    It seems like the 12V is shorted to 5Vstby as the rails measure the same... exactly. I'm not sure how that could happen!

    If I can't repair it I'll probably take my caps out of it and throw it in the trash - it would just be nice to see if it can be fixed. Even if it's just a piece of crap, I have distant plans to use it for a reflow plate (high current 12V supply... for a custom engineered 100W heating element.)

    It's actually got a decent passive PFC choke, a proper EMI filter (two coils, 3 X caps and some Y caps) and a real bridge rectifier. 470u 200V primaries, better that most but still a bit lackluster (should really be 680u+.) I think it's a 250W model.
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    Last edited by tom66; 03-08-2012, 02:08 PM.
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    #2
    Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

    The PSU looks alright, but I do see a lot of discolouration on the PPFC PCB.

    I'm not exatly sure what's going on with the main rails though.
    I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

    No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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      #3
      Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

      Okay, I think I found the problem. One of the output diodes is shorted (0.009V both ways.) This probably makes it uneconomical to repair for myself when there are 10 more where this one came from. Still, parts will not go to waste including the transformer, EMI filter and remaining good diodes, and I'll salvage my caps.
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        #4
        Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

        Everything useful or big stripped...

        Wick works wonders here.
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          #5
          Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

          Wow! Look at the discolouration near the 5vsb transformer.
          I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

          No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

          Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

          Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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            #6
            Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

            Originally posted by c_hegge View Post
            Wow! Look at the discolouration near the 5vsb transformer.
            Yeah, I'm guessing it failed because someone was trying to charge their phone off the USB or something like that in standby.

            Same problem I have with my HTPC... charges some NiMHs in standby so it quickly bulged the CapXons on the crap Atrix "650W" I have installed... now replaced with Rubycon so should last longer.

            I disassembled the transformers and got lots of nice magnet wire. Also got the inductors and their cores, could be useful for an LED driver project.
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              #7
              Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

              I just finished recapping a PSU like this about 2 weeks ago. The 5vsb section on mine looked fine so I decided not to add the custom made heatsink for the 5vsb FET. I hope mine doesn't do that as I was planning on using it in a computer. At least the 5vsb doesn't seem to go overvoltage when it goes bad. I've noticed that the 5vsb circuit in this PSU is similar to a 2-transistor design, except that it doesn't use a TL431 shunt regulator, and the 5vsb FET is actually a IGBT part rated for 27A in pulsed mode !

              So overall, it's a decent PSU IMO. Yours looks even better with the PPFC coil and bigger heatsinks.

              The 12v rail in mine actually measures quite high - 12.6V with a 5v-based board (AMD Duron 750 MHz, so it's not a heavy 5v load) and a hard drive.
              Last edited by momaka; 03-14-2012, 08:18 PM.

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                #8
                Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

                It wasn't uncommon for those PSUs to read over 13v on the 12v rail with socket A boards.
                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                A working TV? How boring!

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                  #9
                  Re: Cheapo PSU recapped

                  Never had one do that, even with my ECS P4VXASD2+, which is a Pentium 4 motherboard that uses power from the 5V rail.
                  13V is out of the ATX spec for the 12V rail. I wouldn't use the PSU if it does that.
                  Moreover, this PSU has a 30A schottky for the 5V rail and 3.3V rails and a 16A FR rectifier for the 12V, so it's obviously an older design and shouldn't cross-loaded so badly. I still need to do more testing on mine, though.

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