HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #1

    HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

    I have had this scope for about 3 years now. I bought it working.

    After about a year of use, it developed a problem where it would reset itself randomly while in use. After a while it would keep cycling, seconds between resets.

    The trace also tends to go to the maximum value when this happens too; I believe this is because the analog supplies were going out of tolerance.

    Initially, I gave it a good clean and sprayed contact cleaner on the main connectors. That fixed it for about 2 years...

    And now, it's doing the same thing... but cleaning hasn't fixed it...

    So the question is what causes a supply to act like this? Why would it work fine for 2 years after cleaning it? What did the cleaning fix?

    This is a very old supply. The scope was manufactured in 1993. The supply is capable of about 200W and is air cooled by a fan at the rear. (The fan also cools the rest of the instrument.)

    It looks like a single power NPN forward with a very large transformer. Picture attached.

    The supply is controlled entirely in discrete logic, as well as an LM339 comparator. There are no actual SMPS controller ICs anywhere on the board.

    All caps are Chemicon or Rubycon.

    This is a very nice power supply and an example of sheer overengineering. Look at the sheer number of capacitors on just one rail - 8 x 35V 1000uF (for the +15V supply, which runs the CRT and fan, and nothing much more.) On the +3.5V rail, there are 3x 6.3V 6800uF. So for now I'm going to rule out the capacitors as being the problem. No bulging or bloating anywhere on the caps.

    There are even some surge arrestors on the input (spark gaps) as well as a very beefy line input filter.

    Any help would be much appreciated...
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  • retiredcaps
    Badcaps Legend
    • Apr 2010
    • 9271

    #2
    Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

    Originally posted by tom66
    All caps are Chemicon or Rubycon.
    What Chemicon series? KZG? KY?
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    • tom66
      EVs Rule
      • Apr 2011
      • 32560
      • UK

      #3
      Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

      Originally posted by retiredcaps
      What Chemicon series? KZG? KY?
      SM, LXF(?)... a few others, all discontinued. Rubycon primaries, most secondary Chemicon.
      Last edited by tom66; 11-17-2011, 06:18 PM.
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      • b700029
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        • Sep 2010
        • 640

        #4
        Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

        I see some glue that looks like it's turned brown from heat.

        You might want to remove that.

        Have you found a schematic/service manual and traced out the voltages?
        Last edited by b700029; 11-19-2011, 08:04 PM.

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        • retiredcaps
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          • Apr 2010
          • 9271

          #5
          Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

          Originally posted by tom66
          Any help would be much appreciated...
          Try over at eevblog.com forums. They have some people who live to restore old scopes like tekfan. See

          http://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3935.0
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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
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            #6
            Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

            I've so far noticed the -12V rail tends to bounce upwards whenever the trace goes downwards and vice versa. Seems to be the supply for the input amplifier. I'm guessing then the fault is in the power supply...

            I haven't been able to locate a schematic apart from a fee on eBay. Even contacted Agilent directly - no luck.
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            • tom66
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              • Apr 2011
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              #7
              Re: HP54501A 100 MHz digitising oscilloscope power cycling

              Just in case anyone is curious, I eventually got around to removing the power supply and giving it a good look. I'm quite glad because I found a cold solder joint on the -12V output connector! I retouched all the connector joints and it's ran for 3 hours now, no problems. Happy days... This scope is well over 18 years old. Almost as old as me...
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