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  • mon2
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    • Dec 2019
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    #81
    Yes. We need to study the cluster of parts that are in this region of the board to confirm PQ303 is enabled and disabled for the proper cases.

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    • G_sene
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      • Jul 2023
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      #82
      PQ303

      Only adapter:

      Source 19.97v
      Drain 19.97v
      Gate 0v

      Only battery:

      Source 13.86v
      Drain 13.86v
      Gate 0v

      Battery and adapter:

      Source 14v
      Drain 14v
      Gate 0.020v

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      • mon2
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        • Dec 2019
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        #83
        The gate voltage should not be @ 0v for each of these cases.

        Confirm that you have a resistor @ PR304. The one side will be mating to the Vin voltage and the other side = gate pin = a lower voltage. It appears that PR304 is missing if the gate voltage remains @ 0v.

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        • G_sene
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          • Jul 2023
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          #84
          Originally posted by mon2
          The gate voltage should not be @ 0v for each of these cases.

          Confirm that you have a resistor @ PR304. The one side will be mating to the Vin voltage and the other side = gate pin = a lower voltage. It appears that PR304 is missing if the gate voltage remains @ 0v.
          PR304 has the jumper I made. I'll check the voltage on the other side without VIN.

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          • mon2
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            • Dec 2019
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            #85
            I am not following. There must be a resistor onboard at pr304. To one side of pr304 will be the wire to Vin. The other side of pr304 resistor must be connected to the gate of the battery mosfet. See the schematics. This resistor should be close to the schematic value.

            Do you have a resistor at pr304? It seems to be missing since gate voltage is always 0v.

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            • G_sene
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              • Jul 2023
              • 63
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              #86
              Originally posted by mon2
              I am not following. There must be a resistor onboard at pr304. To one side of pr304 will be the wire to Vin. The other side of pr304 resistor must be connected to the gate of the battery mosfet. See the schematics. This resistor should be close to the schematic value.

              Do you have a resistor at pr304? It seems to be missing since gate voltage is always 0v.
              PR304

              With adapter

              Side VIN - 19.98v
              Side PQ303 0.024v

              With battery

              Side VIN - 0v
              Side PQ303 - 0v

              With battery and adapter

              Side VIN 0.020 - 0.030v
              Side PQ303 - 0.020 - 0.030v

              PR304 has 47k

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              • mon2
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                • Dec 2019
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                #87
                Very interesting measurements.

                Confirm that one side of PR304 does mate with the gate pin of PQ303. This should be ~0R ohms. Otherwise there is a broken PCB trace here.

                Next - Locate PR305. Confirm this resistor is ~10k ohms across the tips of this part.

                Locate the dual mosfet @ PQ308.

                Share the voltage to ground measurements for:

                pin 3
                pin 5
                Pin 4 is ground so ignore.

                pin 6
                pin 2
                Pin 1 is ground so ignore.


                We need to review the PQ308 voltages for each case - adapter only; battery only; both battery & adapter.

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                • G_sene
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                  • Jul 2023
                  • 63
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by mon2
                  Very interesting measurements.

                  Confirm that one side of PR304 does mate with the gate pin of PQ303. This should be ~0R ohms. Otherwise there is a broken PCB trace here.

                  Next - Locate PR305. Confirm this resistor is ~10k ohms across the tips of this part.

                  Locate the dual mosfet @ PQ308.

                  Share the voltage to ground measurements for:

                  pin 3
                  pin 5
                  Pin 4 is ground so ignore.

                  pin 6
                  pin 2
                  Pin 1 is ground so ignore.


                  We need to review the PQ308 voltages for each case - adapter only; battery only; both battery & adapter.
                  One side of PR304 has 0ohm with the gate of PQ303.
                  PR305 has 10k.

                  PQ308:

                  Adapter only:
                  Pin 3 - 0.086v
                  Pin 2 - 3.54v
                  Pin 4 - 0v
                  Pin 5 - 0.076v
                  Pin 6 - 0v

                  Battery only: Pin 3 - 0v
                  Pin 2 - 0v
                  Pin 4 - 0v
                  Pin 5 - 0v
                  Pin 6 - 0v

                  Adapter and battery:
                  Pin 3 - Varying greatly between 0.100v and 0.275v
                  Pin 2 - 0v
                  Pin 4 - 0v
                  Pin 5 - 0.020v - 0.075v
                  Pin 6 - 0.020v

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                  • mon2
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                    • Dec 2019
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                    #89
                    Pin 3 - 0.086v
                    Pin 2 - 3.54v
                    Pin 4 - 0v
                    Pin 5 - 0.076v
                    Pin 6 - 0v
                    Pin 5 = gate to the 2N7002 mosfet. If gate voltage is ~0v, then this mosfet should be OFF. When OFF, the pin 3 voltage should be floating to the Vin voltage through PR304.

                    Also, when pin 2 on PQ308 is 0V, then PQ308A should be OFF. Again, pin 6 on PQ308 should be at Vin voltage through PR306 but is @ 0v.

                    It appears that PQ308 dual mosfet is defective. Suggest to flux and replace it. Confirm this case again before replacing this part.

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                    • G_sene
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                      • Jul 2023
                      • 63
                      • Brasil

                      #90
                      Originally posted by mon2

                      Pin 5 = gate to the 2N7002 mosfet. If gate voltage is ~0v, then this mosfet should be OFF. When OFF, the pin 3 voltage should be floating to the Vin voltage through PR304.

                      Also, when pin 2 on PQ308 is 0V, then PQ308A should be OFF. Again, pin 6 on PQ308 should be at Vin voltage through PR306 but is @ 0v.

                      It appears that PQ308 dual mosfet is defective. Suggest to flux and replace it. Confirm this case again before replacing this part.
                      I have a board with the 2N7002DW, apparently compatible.

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                      • mon2
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                        • Dec 2019
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                        #91
                        Yes - looks like a valid replacement. Proceed to replace it and test again.

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                        • G_sene
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                          • Jul 2023
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                          #92
                          Originally posted by mon2
                          Yes - looks like a valid replacement. Proceed to replace it and test again.
                          I removed and replaced it, but it still won't recognize the charger and charge.
                          The VIN jumper for PR304 is still done

                          PQ308:
                          Adapter only:
                          Pin 3 - 19.88v
                          Pin 2 - 3.54v
                          Pin 4 - 0v
                          Pin 5 - 0.054v
                          Pin 6 - 0v

                          Battery only: Pin 3 - 0v
                          Pin 2 - 0v
                          Pin 4 - 0v
                          Pin 5 - 10.81v
                          Pin 6 -11.18v

                          Adapter and battery:
                          Pin 3 - 0v
                          Pin 2 - 0v
                          Pin 4 - 0v
                          Pin 5 - 10.96
                          Pin 6 - 11.30v

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                          • mon2
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                            • Dec 2019
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                            #93
                            These look like good voltages to me. Much better than before.

                            Measure the voltage to ground on ADAPTER_ID which is supplied by the power adapter to identify the adapter.

                            Measure this @ PC1266 or similar.

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                            • G_sene
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                              • Jul 2023
                              • 63
                              • Brasil

                              #94
                              Originally posted by mon2
                              These look like good voltages to me. Much better than before.

                              Measure the voltage to ground on ADAPTER_ID which is supplied by the power adapter to identify the adapter.

                              Measure this @ PC1266 or similar.
                              0.900mv

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                              • mon2
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                                • Dec 2019
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                                #95
                                On your board, is the PQ995A & PQ995B present? They are marked with '@' so may not be stuffed on the board.

                                Remove all power. Measure the resistance to ground of ADAPTER_ID. Disconnect the power adapter during this test. We want to check the resistance to ground to understand if the TVS diode at PD304 has triggered or not.

                                Next, measure the resistance of the power adapter from the center pin to the outside ground pin of the connector. Do not plug the adapter into the wall. We are only measuring the internal resistor of the Lenovo power adapter which announces the power rating through the resistance value.

                                Here is a video on this topic:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...YMariusElectro

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                                • G_sene
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                                  • Jul 2023
                                  • 63
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                                  #96
                                  Originally posted by mon2
                                  On your board, is the PQ995A & PQ995B present? They are marked with '@' so may not be stuffed on the board.

                                  Remove all power. Measure the resistance to ground of ADAPTER_ID. Disconnect the power adapter during this test. We want to check the resistance to ground to understand if the TVS diode at PD304 has triggered or not.

                                  Next, measure the resistance of the power adapter from the center pin to the outside ground pin of the connector. Do not plug the adapter into the wall. We are only measuring the internal resistor of the Lenovo power adapter which announces the power rating through the resistance value.

                                  Here is a video on this topic:

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...YMariusElectro
                                  I don't have a PQ995 on the board.

                                  Another point: I still have the jumper on the ADAPTER_ID to ground, with a 560 ohm resistor.

                                  ADAPTER_ID resistance - 537 ohm
                                  Adapter center pin resistance - 561 ohm

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                                  • mon2
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                                    • Dec 2019
                                    • 14156
                                    • Canada

                                    #97
                                    Remove the extra resistor to ground on this pin. Then test this line again on the motherboard but do not connect the power adapter. We want to know the resistance without the power adapter.

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                                    • G_sene
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jul 2023
                                      • 63
                                      • Brasil

                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by mon2
                                      Remove the extra resistor to ground on this pin. Then test this line again on the motherboard but do not connect the power adapter. We want to know the resistance without the power adapter.
                                      5.50k

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                                      • mon2
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                                        • Dec 2019
                                        • 14156
                                        • Canada

                                        #99
                                        Now connect the adapter but do not power it. What is the resistance now? Then power up to test again.

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                                        • G_sene
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                                          • Jul 2023
                                          • 63
                                          • Brasil

                                          #100
                                          Originally posted by mon2
                                          Now connect the adapter but do not power it. What is the resistance now? Then power up to test again.
                                          Adapter connected but not turning on - 544ohm
                                          Adapter connected, notebook on - OL

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