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  • timbersteel
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    • Feb 2007
    • 7

    #1

    Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

    Hello there,

    Newbie at recapping, did an Alton and an ECS server board with dual P3's. I was doing some upgrading for my friend when he had me basically strip the compter chassis down to the board. While Iwas thumbing around parts, etc., I noticed that out of 9 SACON caps, 2 were bulging. I got in the new caps this weekend. Also, he was having errounoues erros with startup and shutdown. I also tested the PSU with a voltometer, and founf the voltages up and down on accessing devices. I decided to physicaly look into the PSU. WOW! I cannot believe that for nearly 5 years he made it so long on this PSU. One cap had completely blown. Another caps was bulging significally. He bought a new PSU, 300 watt Startech, max output 279 watt as read from the label. Now...after recapping i got some really weird signs going to windows. The computer will POST, after clearing the CMOS. Now after I get into windows with defaults loaded in CMOS, everything runs fine. After I restart windows XP, the Bios goes into error, LONG BEEP, pause, LONG BEEP, pause, and the cycle continues. It does this everytime. Now when I change his PSU with an Enlight 420 watt, not near the problems. I know that with using http://www.journeysystems.com/power_...calculator.php , calcultor for wattage, his is pushing 284 watts. So it helps having the extra PSU laying around.

    I ended up replacing 6 of the 9 caps, 1 being that it was so darn difficult removing the ones where the stood. they all came ou going the same direction. it was just easier to remove and start at the beginning. Also the Positive leads from the back side were a BUTT to clean the holes out. This may be all my problems now. After I replaced the caps, and checked all connections, I started up, it posted, acted ike it was going to windows xp, then BAM! starts to restart loop evertime it went to WIN XP. so ok, as it got further on, it would get farther away from booting windows. Kept coming up with KB kernel stack halt errors, then KB debugger using com baud 39864 baud rate 7 in DOS. So ok, lemme, check all the caps again. I did, pain in the butt pulling this board out of a flimsy case, blah...Well i checked the traces, the board and found small amounts of solder, metal pieces on the board, so I cleaned them up while using my magnifying glass to see them well enough to remove. well after ensuring my caps were seated well and solder was clean and filled as much as the hole as possible, I resinstalled the board, and booted with my Enlight PSU. Did well, it failed at startup, so I shutdown, restarted with cleared CMOS, it POSTED with default setting, and booted into windows. Ran windows all day with no problems restarted it several times, no problem. Only problem I am running into now is that, with the Enlight, i can only make so many changes in bios and then it won't restart with the monitor intializing, then i just reset it and it will. But then sometimes with the Startech PSU, everytime I sut down windows xp, it goes into fail mode with LONG BEEP, pause, LONG BEEP, pause..etc.....

    Anybody have any suggestions, cause im lost, up the creek, and gonna let him and his wife use my spare for the ebay until I can come with a feasible idea. Could there have been further damage done, or did I accelerate damage with changing the caps?? All i know is that befor eI changed the caps, the startech was working fine or so it seemed, but I'm lost right now. If anybody has some suggestions im all for them!!!

    The way the owner of BADCAPS put it was that, if you damaged the foil or tube the lead rest in, it's instant death...i am assuming this isn't instant death but a recurring nightmare!!!!!

    HELP!
  • Spacedye69
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Nov 2005
    • 698
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    #2
    Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

    Replace all the caps around the VRM and memory slots, and check for solder spatter balls around the northbridge chip.

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    • timbersteel
      New Member
      • Feb 2007
      • 7

      #3
      Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

      hey thanks for the idea Spacedye69. I just tried the Enlight and it started fine, but just as soon as I restarted windows XP, One long beep, one long pause, one long beep, one long pause...Sigh...I'm ready to tell him to buy a new board, and trash this one.

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      • Spacedye69
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        • Nov 2005
        • 698
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        #4
        Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

        Never trash ANYTHING...just send it to me.

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        • Topcat
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          • Oct 2003
          • 16956
          • United States

          #5
          Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

          those beeps are typically memory error beeps. check the RAM seating, and also check for solder boogers as someone suggested earlier.
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          • timbersteel
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            • Feb 2007
            • 7

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            Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

            Hey thanks so much for the quick replies, this is driving me nuts. I tried removing everything all , one by one, and got down to the last device, nothing, same start up blah...sigh. so I am looking for some more memory, removing his old memory, that he bought for pennies on the dollar, gonna try everything you guys have suggested and then get back to you as soon as possible.

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            • timbersteel
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              • Feb 2007
              • 7

              #7
              Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

              Hey, im back again, but haven't touched my soldering iron..lol. I did some routine tech work in the BIOS and have made a very astouding discovery(i feel it is,) I changed his memory, with some good memory of mine, and the good news is that it doesn't constantly reboot then go beeping like a looping robotic machine. With my memory, and keeping everything the same as it was before, but keeping the FSB @ 100 mhz for the DRAM, it works flawlessly...I'm still scratching my head and wondering what the heck! Anyway, I'm gonna contact Soyo about the board, though it has been discontinued. Does anyone know if bad caps around the VRM or the memory slots can cause this loss in FSB? Also, could the damage in the PSU before contribute to damage of the prior sdram? also wouldn't NEW caps help with any problems like this with his memory?

              Also is there a good way to test caps after they have been pulled to see what ohms or volts or anything that can give me a guide into classifying bad and good caps. I do well with a voltometer, but I know there are better tools I would just like a good thought about using a voltometer about this subject

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              • timbersteel
                New Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 7

                #8
                Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

                ok, I've made some progress. Got everything to load correctly into windows, with the exception that I am still @ 100mhz fsb. I have disconnected (1) hard drive and (1) DVD writer. Windows is chugging through 100 gb of fragmented files and Taskmanager running showing CPU load.. Volt meter is showing constant up and own spikes on the 12 volt rail. Anywhere from 12.17 to 12.27 peaks. Most spikes from 12.18 to 12.22, .23, .25.

                His system wasn't this erratic as before, but something doesn't seem to be adding up. I don't have the replacement caps for the Sacon 1500uf, 10v. only the 6.3 volt Nichicon. I replaced the SACON 2200uf's 6.3v, 105 degree C, SZ202 with Nichicon 2200uf 6.3v, HE(M) 105 degree C, HO643.


                If this is any help, just let me know I'm on the right track. If he agrees to let me replace the rest of caps, it wouldn't be a problem. But I'm unsure what all if any damage was done with the length of time the PSU had blown a cap and leaked everywhere and others bulging.

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                • willawake
                  Super Modulator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 8457
                  • Greece

                  #9
                  Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

                  If it was still posting then i doubt any damage was done by the badcaps. usually damage results in dead board. but badcaps in psu can reduce lifetime of caps on the board, even good caps as they get exposed to excessive ripple.

                  but there is no point troubleshooting until you replace all the bad cap brands 1000uf and above.

                  check his memory also with memtest86 on a good board. there should be no errors. i have had boards with badcaps to have bad memory also, whether that was to do with running it a long time with badcaps or just a coincidence i dont know.

                  if this is a serverboard then it might need ecc memory? anyway some of these dual boards can be a bit selective about memory and what slots populated etc.

                  a multimeter wont be useful to check the caps. you need an esr meter. otherwise an oscilloscope would be useful if you know how to use one, you can see if vcore, vdimm is clean.
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                  • timbersteel
                    New Member
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 7

                    #10
                    Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

                    Well, I got up to see windows xp was still running, but that was without the other hard drive and other DVD rom drive. Restarted fine into Memtest86. running it right now, and at 21% of Pass. I'll see soon enough if it's gonna error or not.

                    Also, it's not a server board, but ironic as it sounds, if I plug the memory into banks 0 and 2, it won't notice but one bank of 512mb(with bank interleaving) but if I populate bank 2 and 4, it notices 1024 with bank interleaving...weird.....no thoughts there..

                    @26% Pass...still chugging...

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                    • timbersteel
                      New Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 7

                      #11
                      Re: Soyo P4VSA bad Sacon Caps/Now problems with booting

                      Memtest86 passed fine....he's ordering a new board so I can look at this one further, so I'd should know something more by the end of the week. Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and advice. I'll get back to this a little later when I have time.

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