how to get rid of wifi mooches

[kaboom]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

All I know is that they give you life for farting too loudly.

I love it!

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

LOL at this. Have fun cracking WPA-2 with a long pass-phrase, even with common words in it. Let my grandchildren know how it turns out. After that you'll have to deal with the SSL encrypted contents, but I guess after the WPA crack it will be a piece of cake.

Plus which feds? FBI will only investigate if there is financial damage over a certain amount. Some of these guys are in NZ/Aus and I haven't really looked in on their laws. All I know is that they give you life for farting too loudly.

[green27614]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

pardon me, but its not advisable advertising openly that you did this... it is a FELONY to intrude on someone else's network without their permission. This is investigated by the FEDS..and punishable. Go ahead...look it up...might think twice about posting something like this in public next time ;-)

[green27614]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

The answer to your question is...
There is NO WAY using Wireless to COMPLETELY get rid of bandwidth mooches.
802.1 protocol has the weakest security of them all!! here is why...no matter what you do you are sending your packets out into the air...if someone has a wireless card and they can associate with your access point they can capture your traffic and decode it.
There have been many advances in security for this protocol, BUT as long as you are sending packets out to the airwaves someone can capture them. Some encryption standards are stronger but still crackable..time is the only variable here. This means that if someone has enough time and WANTS to invest the time to get into your wireless network they WILL. There is NOTHING you can do to stop it- PERIOD. Stopping SSId broadcasts will only go so far, mac filtering - big whoop- I just spoof your MAC and knock you off the network. BIG deal... I have done many intrusion tests for companies and most time I can have their network within hours no matter what kind of encryption they use...your strongest link is to use WPA2 and use a HIGHLY strong passphrase with no common words in it. Words are a shortcut to cracking and net hackers love it when people use words in their passphrases, it cuts down the time it takes to decrypt the packets. Use special characters, numbers, upper case and lower case letters in a way that does not form a word or common sequence with numbers, ie ABC or 123- you get the idea. This is your best defense if you MUST use wireless.
Your only measure against hacking your network security is to remain WIRED- Period.

[Agent24]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

No idea but I never trust things that are set up for you already. A flaw in their code generation or such can lead to security holes, I prefer to do it my own way.

[japlytic]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

During a non-intrusive survey, I found wireless networks (all were Belkin) where the main SSID had security, but the guest SSID did not - could this be an omission in a setup wizard or something with the latest Belkin routers being shipped with pre-set security on the main SSID but none on the guest SSID?

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

for the record:

i ultimately switched it to wpa2 with a broadcasted SSID. linux was not playing well with the hidden network (it made me re-enter it after a long bout of clicks upon every reboot).

for me, consider it a closed thread.

[shadow]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Ratdude has some 802.11b clients which do not support WPA. That is why he can not do the standard thing and use WPA with a (possibly randomly generated) pre-shared key.

As already mentioned, chaging SSID, making it not broadcast the SSID and using MAC filtering will ultimately stop most people.

If one needs to have better security than that (and one can not use WPA/WPA2) then more elaborate solutions like using VPN and the like for wireless communication is probably more appropraite.

[japlytic]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've seen a few wireless access points for home use which have an internal RADIUS server (one of them allows up to 16 clients).
TKIP is unfamilar to me, but AES is, since I know that AES is a high-grade encryption standard.
Do you know of any public wireless networks which use a RADIUS server?

[Phaihn]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Use security and you wouldnt have that problem.

[inuyasha.rules]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

Radius woldnt be a bad idea. I believe ddwrt supports radius on an open wifi link and im sure the emac supports it as well. But I have a better idea that I have done a time or two. Set up a portal page with a TOS and anchor free that will genorate ad revinue. Then at the bottom make them put in their adress as the conf that they read the TOS. finally see if she really is a hotgirl and of age, buy some trogens (not the virus) and make your move.

And to whoever had the idea to hijack to kittens and flip everything upside down.... f'ing hillarious! Will try sometime

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

One of the most elementary steps is to use WPA and a good password. GRC's 'Perfect Password Creator' will generate something that presents a real challenge to any hacker - or even if you are just trying to enter it manually.

PlainBill

[Agent24]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

* Disable SSID broadcast
* Use MAC address filtering

Will prevent access to your network by 95% of morons, however if someone knows how to get past one, they probably know how to circumvent the other as well.

Still don't feel secure? Make sure you're using WPA2 with an insane password - Nobody is going to have much fun attacking your security if your password is A5,6zUWi"Sf,octbe`F7jZ|-.R#*P)XoPlg2dR#8$R#EQl}ah1f#(+aofUSu'wx for example - but you must not use WEP!

Feel really paranoid?

Time to start adding more stuff like RADIUS, SSH, VPN, whatever...


Feeling like being weird? Use something like 802.11a that a lot of cards don't support

[TBoneit]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

My suggestion is to lock any wireless signal down as tight as possible. First, you don't want to be broadcasting your browsing and financial activities over the neighborhood. Second, you don't want to have someone else hogging your bandwidth. Most important, you don't want to get a visit from some policeman asking about the 5 gig of kiddie porn that was uploaded from your IP address.

PlainBill

I also read where someone that wanted to get his neighbor in trouble hacked the WEP and sent threatening email to the VP. That brings down the Feds pretty quick.

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've been trying to mess with airodump and such but so far I don't have any wifi adapter with packet injection support, except some desktop atheros adapters. all I want is access to my neighbors 2wire incase my charter goes down, which it always does

2wire password is a 10 digit number. On wep you can crack in seconds. With WPA its like 4 or 5 days of cranking on a fast GPU (CPU, forget it).

Broadcom will inject, so will most atheros.

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

For the non-believers, here is a news article that illustrates the dangers of not securing your wireless router.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110424/..._wi_fi_warning

[Uranium-235]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

I've been trying to mess with airodump and such but so far I don't have any wifi adapter with packet injection support, except some desktop atheros adapters. all I want is access to my neighbors 2wire incase my charter goes down, which it always does

but my neighbor where I used to live had an open access point with a linksys router, and didn't changer the username/password

I never did anything, but I could of, even though the prick accused me of 'hacking his network'. even though any idiot with a car and a laptop could of driven by at any time and 'hacked his network'. I asked him to secure it but he had an adapter without wpa support and such shotty wep support he never listened to me

[PlainBill]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

the ssid changed so they would have to have a lucky guess.

it would be one thing if i had oodles of cat 5 laying around. I don't.

The cost of CAT5 isn't an issue. Running it IS a pain, I will agree.

PlainBill

[NxB]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

1000ft is < $50. I can use kismet/airodump and make that lucky guess in seconds. Or just connect by bssid.

[ratdude747]

Re: how to get rid of wifi mooches

the ssid changed so they would have to have a lucky guess.

it would be one thing if i had oodles of cat 5 laying around. I don't.