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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    I get enough tvs to be able to survive with out buying pallets, had 5 vestels in to day and some others like a beko and umc.
    Last edited by ReeceyBurger123; 04-02-2015, 03:21 PM.

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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    Originally posted by tom66 View Post
    They go to companies like xsitems (they have an eBay shop) and/or get auctioned off, usually on large pallets; I've looked into buying a pallet, but it's several thousand pounds for one, and you MAY get just a bunch of smashed screens, so there's a lot of risk there.
    My mate Soltys uses digiland, if he gets one with a smashed screen they refund him for the whole tv.

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  • tom66
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    They go to companies like xsitems (they have an eBay shop) and/or get auctioned off, usually on large pallets; I've looked into buying a pallet, but it's several thousand pounds for one, and you MAY get just a bunch of smashed screens, so there's a lot of risk there.
    Last edited by tom66; 04-02-2015, 02:27 PM.

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  • stj
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    more likely ebay or a skip.
    the trade value of the tv is too low to cover transport & repair i suspect.

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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    Originally posted by stj View Post
    any idea where they go?

    i know tesco sells returns that run to the staff at a large discount.
    i know because i'v ended up with a lot of it for repair!
    A customer said to ke that they said they will send off the tv to a technician but I have no clue where, maybe the Vestel factory no clue ???

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  • stj
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    any idea where they go?

    i know tesco sells returns that run to the staff at a large discount.
    i know because i'v ended up with a lot of it for repair!

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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    Argos I feel sorry for because you only need to go into a store to see how many tvs are being returned.

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  • tom66
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    Originally posted by stj View Post
    argos needs to have it's ass kicked, dont they understand that under European law those tv's have a MANDATORY 2YEAR warranty???
    Only mandatory enough if the consumer finds the receipt and knows about this. It's not widely promoted, of course, most people believe they only have 28 days to return it! I've bought plenty of TVs off guys who've lost the receipt; Had they still had the receipt, they'd have no problem.

    In the UK, the SOGA law gives you 6 years warranty -- if you can show it is unreasonable for such a product to last. Unfortunately, it's difficult to argue with retailers about this, although not impossible, if you're patient...

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  • stj
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    argos needs to have it's ass kicked, dont they understand that under European law those tv's have a MANDATORY 2YEAR warranty???

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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    All my customers I advise to go with plasma or an older lcd that will be ccfl, seen too many failed leds absolute junk, and argos wont refund the customer when they fail

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  • ben7
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    Originally posted by stj View Post
    the led's are almost certainly being overdriven.

    a friend has converted backlit tv's using the 12v strips on a 5m roll without them failing - ironic that diy is more reliable!!!
    Yeah, either that, or they have bad thermal engineering, or both.
    Like this cree LED bulb I took apart, the MCPCB that the LEDs were mounted on had a little bit of space between the heatsink and the MCPCB. There was no thermal grease either. No wonder the LEDs failed!

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  • stj
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    the led's are almost certainly being overdriven.

    a friend has converted backlit tv's using the 12v strips on a 5m roll without them failing - ironic that diy is more reliable!!!

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  • tom66
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    Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123 View Post
    I have a 40" toshiba in now 16months old and almost every led backlight has failed. It seems that these types of bulbs always crack in the middle when they fail, what a helpless pos
    Picture showing the backlight array, bulbs with red dots above have failed.
    Yeah, seeing a lot of those types fail. What was that about LED TV backlights being more reliable? LOL. Seems the CCFLs are, oddly, more reliable because being passive devices they rarely fail until wear-out.

    A lifespan of 40,000 hours (to 1/2 brightness) for a CCFL backlight, with maybe 0.1% early failure of bulbs.
    vs a lifespan of 100,000 hours (to 1/2 brightness) for an LED backlight, but at a 5% early failure rate.

    Hmm, which wins? Oddly, CCFL will probably last longer on average!

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  • ReeceyBurger123
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    I have a 40" toshiba in now 16months old and almost every led backlight has failed. It seems that these types of bulbs always crack in the middle when they fail, what a helpless pos
    Picture showing the backlight array, bulbs with red dots above have failed.
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  • tom66
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    Lapwing, thanks for the pictures; It confirmed what I pretty much already thought, they are not at all customised. I had hoped that, perhaps Panasonic would demand a better power supply design and panel choice. But no, it looks like the same shit that you'd get from Technika or Bush, only at a premium price. The VESTEL panel (probably based on Samsung glass, but bonded & assembled by Vestel) is the same crap I saw in the cheap 18 month old Polaroid, with the terrible gamma correction which makes everything look like a shitty oil painting.

    They can't even print the back panel label with a high DPI so it looks all fuzzy.

    Originally posted by rievax_60 View Post
    I thought that PFC is mandatory now. I can't see it.
    Not for something low power like this. 75W input from the mains. I think the threshold is around 80-90W. Technically it's not required until 150W or so, but to meet the stringent third-harmonic emissions standards you need PFC.

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  • Lapwing
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    Underside of the two PANASONIC VIERA TX39A300B boards and the LED arrangement.
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  • ben7
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    Originally posted by rievax_60 View Post
    I thought that PFC is mandatory now. I can't see it.
    I don't really know, but maybe it doesn't need it to pass, because it only takes about 75W?

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  • rievax_60
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    I thought that PFC is mandatory now. I can't see it.

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  • ben7
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    Originally posted by Lapwing View Post
    Here are some pics of the PANASONIC VIERA TX-39A300B.
    Ugh, YUCK.

    Big "VESTEL" on the PSU, and elite caps. Also, looks like there is the typical vestel "multiple diode treatment".

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  • Lapwing
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    Here are some pics of the PANASONIC VIERA TX-39A300B.
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