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Old 05-18-2017, 10:09 AM   #1
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Default Xbox one controler does not turn on.

I have a Xbox one controller model 1537 that does not turn on at all when I press the home button or to sync. It was tested with a usb power cable and with batteries but with no luck. So I proceeded to disassemble the controller to find out it has gotten wet by some kind of sticky substance. As a usual, with a deep cleaning using isopropanol alcohol to get the sticky stuff off then reassemble with no luck. The next step is to check to make sure all the individual components are getting the required voltage but this is were I need some assistance.

All and any suggestions will be taken into account plus very appreciated.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:07 AM   #2
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uploading foto's would help
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:09 PM   #3
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here you go as requested via dropbox. Let me know if the link works cause its hard to tell on Windows 10 S

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iady6hpnm5bofu7/AACdBAJBGdpmi8eSqBOiFcvma?dl=0

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Old 05-18-2017, 01:48 PM   #4
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upload by [go advanced] + [manage attachments]

linking to temporary sites is bad because in future people reading this wont find them!
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:17 PM   #5
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Default Re: Xbox one controler does not turn on.

Ok, here goes. Top and bottom views of the boards.
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:13 PM   #6
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Default Re: Xbox one controler does not turn on.

Start where the battery is and work towards the microcomputer or micro controller and see if get power to that point

This means hit the power button to try to power ON unit when you try to getting these readings

I would also look this hole board over with a magnifying glass at all of the soldiering joints to see if you crack or dull joints


Look at these places at the battery and switches very closely for cracks and dull joints
I have this problem with remote controls for our crane at work

And we go from there
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:39 PM   #7
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ok will do. ill post the findings tomorrow.
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:34 PM   #8
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Just a side question due to having a bit of trouble mapping out the traces. Is there a program that i can draw on to map the traces manualy and if possible, to use a picture in the background to do so?
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:40 PM   #9
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dont think so.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:37 PM   #10
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Just a side question due to having a bit of trouble mapping out the traces.
This where a volt meter comes in handy

Set your meter to ohms and where you think a trace end check it

or

if you can find where the trace ends just start probing around until you fine where you have connection

I have do a lot of times with double sided boards it dose take awhile to do

Now if it not a double side and you do not have large ground plans and you have a bright light on one side of the board and look through the other side of the board now some time you can do this with double sided boards ***** if the traces are not to close to each other and no ground planes

I have done this a few times doing repairs this way ***** some time it is not something that is very easy to do

I hope this helps

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ok, so i was going to do what sam_sam_sam but i connected just the top pcb where the usb charging is located to the computer and saw that the lcd tries to turn on. I then proceed to go for the meter and with the pcb in hand i felt a burn from one of the components. Now, I have this usb device that mesures how much power a device is using in order to get charge. With this i check a normal working control to get .07 amps. Now the damaged controller is connected and shoots to .5 amps. 0.0 With it connected, a buddy feels around the board and notes that a few components around L3 are warm and U3 is "scorching" hot. with that in mind, we check various components around that area to find C22 and C23 in short but when we removed these components, they were fine but the short continued. We proceed to remove U3 as well but the short is still there.

----Still checking as I write this to let others know how its going so far.----
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update 1: My buddy found a thread on a modding site that has a detailed layout of the control, rechargeable battery, and the headset adapter that can be used as some what of an incomplete schematic. Using this to troubleshoot further.

http://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=43204.0
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ok, so i was going to do what sam_sam_sam but i connected just the top pcb where the usb charging is located to the computer and saw that the lcd tries to turn on. I then proceed to go for the meter and with the pcb in hand i felt a burn from one of the components. Now, I have this usb device that mesures how much power a device is using in order to get charge. With this i check a normal working control to get .07 amps. Now the damaged controller is connected and shoots to .5 amps. 0.0 With it connected, a buddy feels around the board and notes that a few components around L3 are warm and U3 is "scorching" hot. with that in mind, we check various components around that area to find C22 and C23 in short but when we removed these components, they were fine but the short continued. We proceed to remove U3 as well but the short is still there.

----Still checking as I write this to let others know how its going so far.----
You need to find where the short problem is that will be important to know so you can repair it
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Default Re: Xbox one controler does not turn on.

Found it! Turns out its a bad capacitor marked C33 that was causing the shortage. Now, this raises a doubt due to the fact of some missing information. What value does this capacitor have in order to replace it properly?
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Old Yesterday, 09:28 PM   #15
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Where is the cap located at on the board power supply rail or some where else on the board
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It is located on the power supply rail, bottomside of the board. Use the 3rd picture that was uploaded above as reference if you don't have a controller on hand. And thanks sam_sam_sam for bearing with me.
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The value is not real important but use a 250pf something small like that and see if the unit works with a value like that
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