Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

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  • Fwrothy
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 178
    • Canada

    #1

    Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

    Another scrapyard TV ...
    Got power, chimes on and off, displays 5 red blinks ??
    X & y boards hum and led flashing green on control.
    Checked voltages at all test points-good
    Checked all fuses incl. e-f buffer-good.

    Not sure what to do next-do I try to trick it on via main?
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  • Alastair E
    Chief Womble
    • Mar 2013
    • 1963
    • U.K.

    #2
    Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

    Check the Diode, D5015 near top edge of Y-SUS for S/C. Its a UF4007
    TELEFIX

    How PLASMA SCREENS WORK, X-SUS and Y-SUS what they do--
    http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1088.pdf
    PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR REPAIR ADVICE. QUESTIONS BELONG ON THE FORUM!

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    • MagicSmoke
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Feb 2011
      • 275
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

      You can disconnect LVDS cable from mainboard to logic, look at logic board and find 4 holes 1,2,3,4 jumper 3,4 with alligator clip or the like, then disconnect power cable from main and use a resistor to jumper 5v Stby to PS-on. There might also be a VS-on pin, if so then that will need a jumper also.

      If it's working properly there should be test patterns displayed, If not then better pics of all boards are needed.

      When logic LED flashes, is it once every second or once every 5 or so seconds?
      Last edited by MagicSmoke; 02-26-2015, 02:40 PM.

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      • Fwrothy
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 178
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        #4
        Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

        Thanks Alastair E, do you mean 5014?
        If so it checks out at .485 ( fluke83), good no?
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        • Fwrothy
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2014
          • 178
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          #5
          Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

          Thanks MagicSmoke, steady once a second, ok I'll replace the ef heat sink and try to power it up, just wasn't sure about try to force it on if it doesn't even prime( been reading plasma threads trying to figure out TS procedures)
          Last edited by Fwrothy; 02-26-2015, 02:57 PM. Reason: Stinkin autocorrect

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          • Alastair E
            Chief Womble
            • Mar 2013
            • 1963
            • U.K.

            #6
            Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

            Aye--My mistake Thats the diode--sounds like yours is OK.

            Whats the Voltage on that rivet marked Vscan? Should be about -190
            TELEFIX

            How PLASMA SCREENS WORK, X-SUS and Y-SUS what they do--
            http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1088.pdf
            PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR REPAIR ADVICE. QUESTIONS BELONG ON THE FORUM!

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            • Fwrothy
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              • Feb 2014
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              #7
              Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

              Originally posted by Alastair E
              Aye--My mistake Thats the diode--sounds like yours is OK.

              Whats the Voltage on that rivet marked Vscan? Should be about -190
              Yup Vscan(Vsc on panel sticker),Ve, Va and Vs are all spot on.

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              • Fwrothy
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2014
                • 178
                • Canada

                #8
                Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                Tried the self test-nada

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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                  Is control board light blinking steadily? (About once a second)
                  Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                  For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                  • Fwrothy
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                    • Feb 2014
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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                    Yup as per# 3&5

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                    • tom66
                      EVs Rule
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 32560
                      • UK

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                      Weird... do you have access to an o'scope? Are all fuses, including small 15V or 5V ones ok on the Y-main?
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                      • MagicSmoke
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 275
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                        #12
                        Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                        Check all of the LVDS cables to and from logic board and reseat them.

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                        • Fwrothy
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                          • Feb 2014
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                          #13
                          Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                          I only found the one fuse on the ymain...

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                          • Fwrothy
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                            • Feb 2014
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                            #14
                            Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                            boards:
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                            • Fwrothy
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                              • Feb 2014
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                              #15
                              Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                              Originally posted by tom66
                              Weird... do you have access to an o'scope? Are all fuses, including small 15V or 5V ones ok on the Y-main?
                              I do! Picked up a tek2465 last spring but have not used it yet, been looking for an isolation trans...

                              Fl1&2 on Y-main, are those fuses?
                              Last edited by Fwrothy; 02-26-2015, 06:22 PM. Reason: Add

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                              • MagicSmoke
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                                • Feb 2011
                                • 275
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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                                Yes the green ones are a fusible resistor.

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                                • Fwrothy
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                                  • Feb 2014
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                                  Originally posted by MagicSmoke
                                  Yes the green ones are a fusible resistor.
                                  So I should have 5 & 15vdc at the exposed legs?

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                                  • tom66
                                    EVs Rule
                                    • Apr 2011
                                    • 32560
                                    • UK

                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                                    Yes, sometimes there is also one for Va (~60V)

                                    Do you have a 10X probe for your scope and are you familiar with using one?
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                                    • Fwrothy
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime

                                      Rl1 is ~26vdc
                                      Rl2 is ~35vdc

                                      10x probe is my only probe at this point and I don't have much practical experience.
                                      Last edited by Fwrothy; 02-27-2015, 03:42 AM. Reason: Misinformation

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                                      • Fwrothy
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                                        • Feb 2014
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung PN42A450P1D Plasma screen doesn't prime


                                        Ok I found the GREEN FUSES F5002 top right quadrant of Y-main, 15vdc.
                                        F5007 is in the bottom right quadrant under the heat sink, 92vdc.
                                        Both measurement use chassis ground.

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