ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

[stj]

if the switcher see's large current spikes your caps are not good enough.
you need more uf / ripple capacity as a reservoir.
or lower esr to increase cap reaction time.

[sam_sam_sam]

Why the CQ1565 fails easily? I don't really like that package of the switcher at all. It is the worst thing ever a switcher could be in. The HV pin is very close to the other pins, IF you didn't really clean the living hell out of that spot using 99% IPA or Acetone, leave a little hair, a piece of paper towel etc, it will die sooner rather than later.
If you have any switching IC in that case style to replace, everything gotta be perfect. Other than that it will blow again. Been there and fixed other peoples mistakes quite a few times. That spot has to be squeaky clean hospital grade.

Thank you for sharing and pointing out about how clean you need to make around this switcher pins REALLY this nonsense that you have to be that careful with these switchers I was not aware of this until you mentioned it in this post I was just making sure that there was no flux around the pins and the traces around the switcher pins

I would agree with you on this one but the switcher is not suitable for this type of situation where you have current spikes when you trigger the vacuum pump with short bursts this does not help matters at all one of my desoldering stations is going bad or it needs to be recapped because when we had a cold spell a few weeks ago I went to turn it on it power cycled several times before it stayed on I just had not had time to deal with it yet maybe this weekend I will get to it

[stj]

you could clean the hell out of it and then put a drop of RTV over the high voltage pin to prevent arc-over
i have seen that done in industrial plasma tv's

[VonsGarage]

Thank you CapLeaker for the info. If and when I get inside the unit, I will heed your sage advice.

[CapLeaker]

Why the CQ1565 fails easily? I don't really like that package of the switcher at all. It is the worst thing ever a switcher could be in. The HV pin is very close to the other pins, IF you didn't really clean the living hell out of that spot using 99% IPA or Acetone, leave a little hair, a piece of paper towel etc, it will die sooner rather than later.
If you have any switching IC in that case style to replace, everything gotta be perfect. Other than that it will blow again. Been there and fixed other peoples mistakes quite a few times. That spot has to be squeaky clean hospital grade.

[VonsGarage]

Schematic for ZD-985 Desoldering Station. I transferred the schematic that Karlcid created and so generously shared with us above, and redrew using Paint.Net. It has not been proofread by Karlcid, but I think I did a pretty good job of ensuring accurate copy. Also have added a handset detail that may be helpful. Enjoy.

I found this cool website when working on retrofitting an inexpensive handset available from MPJA ($25- 01/2024 – for their M/N 19034TL) to my older Memotronics station. My station used a 7 pin PLT-GX-16 aviation connector and the new handset from MPJA uses a 6 pin.
Dismantled both handsets and made drawings. I got the aviation (yeah; right!) plugs and jacks and made a little converter so I didn't have to chop up anything. I haven't given it a long test run so I'm not sure if the vibration sensor thing (which is disconnected from the base unit now) will make a difference.

Another person on another website had this to say about defeating the vibration sensor:
I had learnt the Display controller board has a model selector which is a solder-drop switch in the place where the wires from the thermal sensor are connected.
ZD-985 and other 7 pin machines seem to use those connectors unbridged since the gun seems to tell the machine is being used when moved.
6 Pin models like the ZD-915 has 2 connectors linked by a drop of tin solder below the display. Please notice the green ring below. In the 7 pin machines, this drop is absent and 3 wired are sent to the gun connector, therefore, it sets to 200ºC, unlike when they're soldered like the ZD-915 uses to be.

Next time I have the machine up and running I will check if my unit “misses” the sensor. If it drops back into a cooldown setting during use, I'll open-er-up and see if I can find this “solder-drop switch” jumper the above fellow was talking about. I'll update this post if I find anything new.

[CabecaBranca]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

That's a great help, thanks for all the time and trouble.

[Karlcid]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Hi, here is a squematic of the P.S. that I draw with patience. That will help to understand an fix the ZD 985.

[sam_sam_sam]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Any idea what the wattage would be for the 10A AC transformer ?

I know wattage is measured different in AC than in DC.

The only you need to concern your self about is dose your rectifier is rated for 25 amps or better

Now like I said earlier you have a -5 volt and +10 volt power supply rail you have to concern your self with

Now you can use the part of this circuit board that has these parts

One word of caution when you first hook up power ( but before you hook up the Desoldering Gun set the temperature as low as you can set it make sure that you have control of the temperature to the gun this very important because if you do not have control of it ( it will destroy the gun heater or the mosfet controlling it )

Here is where you can find one

https://www.mpja.com/24V-10A-Center-...info/27846+TR/

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Any idea what the wattage would be for the 10A AC transformer ?

I know wattage is measured different in AC than in DC.

[sam_sam_sam]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

That way the station works all right with just a 18V 10A or more PSU.

So like i said before i do want to use a linear transformer but with what specs ?
I do need a 18V but how many watts ?

Probably can use a 10 amp transformer if you can find one 24 volt versions are more common at 10 amp

Now you could use a 24 volt transformer and remove some raps of winding until you get 16 to 18 volts and everything should work

Now if you see that your voltage drops more than a volt or more you be better off using a 9 volt transformer to just power the controller board and could use a 500 to 800 milliamperes transformer for this part

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

There also two capacitors on the controller board that needs to be replaced as well but be very careful with this controller board it is easily damaged if you are ruff with it

I hope that the information that I provided you will help you fix and figure out how to fix your Desoldering station

I have noticed only one 330uf electrolytic on the controller board but didnt change it since its esr and capacitance is still good. Plus where i live, is hard to source good quality caps.

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Do you have a power supply to run the heater unit by it self and set the current to 1.5 amps

I can probably tell you why the switching power supply has this failure there is a heater mosfet that has shorted in the ON position replace it

When you put in the next switching power supply regulator unhook the heater pins from the connector and see if you can run it that way if you can then the heater mosfet is bad

One thing to make sure of is that you have a temperature reading on the display if not you will have the controller at full power output and not controlling the temperature and the heater will self destruct you always need to check that you have a temperature reading when you first power up ( this is a poor design)

There are two different software versions of this Desoldering Gun station one version powers up the heater when power is applied ( if you see this “——— “ or see this ERR ) at power up then the “ temperature sensor has failed” the other version applies power when the controller has powered up this the better version of the two

If you have the first version this is part of the problem the switching power regulator has not stabilized and causes the switching power supply regulator to shutdown and restart ( one note is this switching power supply board is not the best design and it some what is under rated for this application

You could use a different switching power supply design but here is a word of advice you have a couple of problem to work out you have a +10 volt and a -5 volt power rail for the controller now you can take the part of the controller board off of power supply board and use it to power up the controller board BUT you must make sure that you have the +10 volts and the -5 volts that works correctly before you put power to the controller board because if the -5 volts rail is not working correctly then the temperature sensor circuit will not work correctly and you might not notice that the temperature is climbing as it should and destroy the heater

The part of +10 volts and the -5 volts power rail has the following parts ( + side one of this circuit 1 watt resistor a 5 volt Zener diode and another resistor - side of the power supply ) I post a picture of this circuit because I made one so I could make it run off of battery power ( it does need a PWM controller for it to work correctly for the heater circuit )

The last picture is the version that uses a transformer

If you decide to use two transformers for the 10 volts and - 5 volts you could use a 9 volt transformer because the controller board has another 5 volt Zener diode for the +5 volts so be to concert about it being 10 volts but do not be tempted to use a 12 volt transformer for this I have not tried this so I do not know if there would any issues or not


I have both versions I replaced them with version two which works a lot better

The Mosfet is okay. I have also tested it outside the PSU. My unit i think has te 1st software version since i can see the error message if the gun is not hooked up.

Like mentioned in my 1st post, the second time i replaced the switching IC i tried running the station without the heating element connected (the PTC was connected as well as all the other components).

So i try to figure out what causes the switching IC to fail that easily.

Also i want to use transformer but i do not know its characteristics...

Last thing is that there is a way to run the whole station from a single 18V power supply if you use the secondary part of the original PSU.
I Should have taken photos bit now i have it all assembled...

If you remove the transformer from the original smps, then you will notice that on the secondary side it only uses two pads. One is connected to the negative side of the capacitors and the other goes to the + of the rectifier (far left and far right sides of it) then from the middle of the rectifier it goes to the positive of the capacitors and the rest of the circuit. Now if you have the transformer removed you put the negative lead to the pad that goes to the negative of the caps and the positive lead to the pad that goes to the rectifier. That way the station works all right with just a 18V 10A or more PSU.

So like i said before i do want to use a linear transformer but with what specs ?
I do need a 18V but how many watts ?

[stj]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

so a question,
how is the fan powered?
is it 12v or higher?
is it regulated?

i want to put a SUNON fan in it - but i dont want it to fail.

[sam_sam_sam]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Is it a 985 station ? i dont think the 985's come with a fan but you should definetly change the caps with 3300uf 35V

There also two capacitors on the controller board that needs to be replaced as well but be very careful with this controller board it is easily damaged if you are ruff with it

I hope that the information that I provided you will help you fix and figure out how to fix your Desoldering station

[sam_sam_sam]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

Do you have a power supply to run the heater unit by it self and set the current to 1.5 amps

I can probably tell you why the switching power supply has this failure there is a heater mosfet that has shorted in the ON position replace it

When you put in the next switching power supply regulator unhook the heater pins from the connector and see if you can run it that way if you can then the heater mosfet is bad

One thing to make sure of is that you have a temperature reading on the display if not you will have the controller at full power output and not controlling the temperature and the heater will self destruct you always need to check that you have a temperature reading when you first power up ( this is a poor design)

There are two different software versions of this Desoldering Gun station one version powers up the heater when power is applied ( if you see this “——— “ or see this ERR ) at power up then the “ temperature sensor has failed” the other version applies power when the controller has powered up this the better version of the two

If you have the first version this is part of the problem the switching power regulator has not stabilized and causes the switching power supply regulator to shutdown and restart ( one note is this switching power supply board is not the best design and it some what is under rated for this application

You could use a different switching power supply design but here is a word of advice you have a couple of problem to work out you have a +10 volt and a -5 volt power rail for the controller now you can take the part of the controller board off of power supply board and use it to power up the controller board BUT you must make sure that you have the +10 volts and the -5 volts that works correctly before you put power to the controller board because if the -5 volts rail is not working correctly then the temperature sensor circuit will not work correctly and you might not notice that the temperature is climbing as it should and destroy the heater

The part of +10 volts and the -5 volts power rail has the following parts ( + side one of this circuit 1 watt resistor a 5 volt Zener diode and another resistor - side of the power supply ) I post a picture of this circuit because I made one so I could make it run off of battery power ( it does need a PWM controller for it to work correctly for the heater circuit )

The last picture is the version that uses a transformer

If you decide to use two transformers for the 10 volts and - 5 volts you could use a 9 volt transformer because the controller board has another 5 volt Zener diode for the +5 volts so be to concert about it being 10 volts but do not be tempted to use a 12 volt transformer for this I have not tried this so I do not know if there would any issues or not


I have both versions I replaced them with version two which works a lot better

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

i need to open mine soon, the fan needs replacing.
i suppose while i'm in it i should check or recap the psu!

Is it a 985 station ? i dont think the 985's come with a fan but you should definetly change the caps with 3300uf 35V

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

At work i have a ZD-987 station that i opened out of curriosity and expected to see the same PSU. To my surprise the 987 uses linear trensformers. Far better solution if you ask me. Though it only had one 100uf 25V smoothing cap . I would definetly be interested to replace the SMPS with that transformer. The secondary side of my SMPS can be cut off and connected to the 18V supply line of the transformer or even beter i can replicate the ZD987's power supply boards and use them with larger and better capacitors ofcource.
How can i get one of these transformers ? I googled the numbers on it and came up empty. The transformer was marked ZDT-80-3, it gives a wiring diagram but no wattage or amperage rating. I wonder if i could use some other 18V linear transformer but what wattage rating ?

[stj]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

i need to open mine soon, the fan needs replacing.
i suppose while i'm in it i should check or recap the psu!

[HellasTechn1]

Re: ZD-985 desoldering station Power supply failure

2A, you sould see the load pulsing with the element
2A sounds low for heating, but far too high for just running the mcu, lcd etc.

The current is not stable. It varies as the heting element comes closer to the pre set temp. when it reaches that temp then current falls down to 2A. I suppose that the mosfet is never turned fully off. It supplies the 2A to maintain the temprature reached. It makes sense to me. However 2A is not nearly enough current to cause damage to the switching IC. Note that when it blew my last IC i only had the vacuum pump connected while the heating element disconnected.