Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • stefos
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 91
    • Greece

    #1

    Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

    Hello @ll !!!

    I am trying to repair Trust 420W PSU, model PW-5210 (http://www.trust.com/en/all-products...ual-fan-pw5210).

    When I checked the psu for the first time I founded in primary side:

    1. Glass fuse was blown.
    2. 2 x Power FET's MJE13009 was shorted.
    3. 2 x 0.5 Ohm, registors (R4, R5) was burned.
    4. 1 x Orange or Red + ? + ? + Gold, registor (R7).
    5. 1 x 472 1KV capacitor missing one leg.
    6. 2 x 10uf 50V was burned.

    1, 2, 5 and 6 replaced with new one.
    Because I couldn't found 0.5 Ohm (Green-Black-Silver-Gold) registor, I have used 2 x 1.2 Ohm.

    R7 registor measured as 10K with my MM but I am not sure if it's the correct value. I used 2.6K registor instead.

    When I switched on the psu with the light bulp in serial, I got in my psu tester +5vsb output only and no shorts.

    Ic's are AZ7500BP-E1 and AZ339P-E1.

    Can you please give me information to make it work? What else to check?

    Thanks in advance.
    Attached Files
  • Escort Eagle
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 110
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

    May be your Controller Section has gone . Specially the IC AZ7500BP . Check the voltage on IC PIN 4, 8 & 11 in both state (AZ7500BP). Check the two switching transistors (C945/C1815)- are they ok or not . And check T2 transformer's PIN voltage in both state . I think most probably your IC AZ7500BP has been damaged . This is why your MJE13009 has blown .
    Last edited by Escort Eagle; 04-28-2014, 09:55 PM.

    Comment

    • stefos
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 91
      • Greece

      #3
      Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

      Originally posted by Escort Eagle
      May be your Controller Section has gone . Specially the IC AZ7500BP . Check the voltage on IC PIN 4, 8 & 11 in both state (AZ7500BP). And check T2 transformer's PIN voltage in both state . I think most probably your IC AZ7500BP has been damaged . This is why your MJE13009 has blown .
      I've changed both ic's with new one using TL494CN and LM339N but seems there was ok because voltages measurments was same as old IC's.

      IC: TL494CN (PS_ON state ----- PS_OFF)
      ===============================
      1: 0.5 m v
      2: 4.427 v
      3: 61.8 mv
      4: 34.6 mv --- 3.364v
      5: 1.496 v
      6: 3.733 v
      7: 0.5 mv
      8: 1.602 v --- 2.365 v

      9: 0.7 mv
      10: 0.6 mv
      11: 1.6 v --- 2.363 v
      12: 10.35 v --- 10.37 v
      13: 5.018 v
      14: 5.018 v
      15: 5.016 v
      16: 472 mv


      IC: LM339N (PS_ON state)
      ===================
      1: 4.252 v
      2: 35.1 mv
      3: 5.018 v
      4: 1.248 v
      5: 0.792 v
      6: 0.6 mv
      7: 2.457 v

      8: 1.334 v
      9: 62.7 mv
      10: 1.1 mv
      11: 1.2 v
      12: 0 v
      13: 0 v
      14: 4.2 mv

      OPTO: (PS_ON state -----PS_OFF)
      ======================
      pin 1: 5.079 v --- 5.075 v
      pin 2: 4.010 v --- 4.008 v

      T2 transformer (PS_ON state -----PS_OFF)
      ============================
      pin 1: 1.560 v --- 1.617 v
      pin 2: 1.560 v --- 1.617 v
      pin 3: 1.560 v --- 1.617 v

      Green color at PS_ON state does not have voltage, but on switching off state has 5.015 v.

      When I shorted pin 4(DTC) with pin 7 (GRD) on TL431CN ic, psu didn't worked, only +5vsb output was ok.

      Check the two switching transistors (C945/C1815)- are they ok or not .
      Checked most of the transistor's and those in attached image. Can I make some voltage measurement to verify that are working as expected?
      Attached Files
      Last edited by stefos; 04-29-2014, 09:06 AM.

      Comment

      • stefos
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 91
        • Greece

        #4
        Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

        Found 2 x 1N4148 bad and replaced, but still no go. Only +5vsb
        Attached Files
        Last edited by stefos; 04-29-2014, 01:38 PM.

        Comment

        • stefos
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 91
          • Greece

          #5
          Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

          Originally posted by stefos
          When I shorted pin 4(DTC) with pin 7 (GRD) on TL431CN ic, psu didn't worked, only +5vsb output was ok.
          ops type mistake..

          When I shorted pin 4(DTC) with pin 7 (GRD) on TL494CN ic, psu didn't worked, only +5vsb output was ok.

          Comment

          • Escort Eagle
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 110
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

            1N4148 are damaged but Surprisingly C2235 are survived !!

            When you are shorting 4+7 Pins, then what is the voltage in T2 Transformer Pin ??

            Replace those Components with new one . Shown in the image . Let's see what happens .
            Attached Files

            Comment

            • stefos
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 91
              • Greece

              #7
              Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

              Originally posted by Escort Eagle
              When you are shorting 4+7 Pins, then what is the voltage in T2 Transformer Pin ??
              I shorted pins 4+7 and power on psu with light bulp in series using psu tester.
              Got +5vsb only.

              1. Fan no rotation as always.
              2. Voltage on T2 1-2-3 pins was 1.825v and produced 0.001v voltage drop every 10 sec. About 10-15 min later voltages was 1.750v.

              Replace those Components with new one . Shown in the image . Let's see what happens .
              Desoldered 100 Ω, 620 Ω registors and 1N4148 diode tested and founded OK.
              Attached Files

              Comment

              • Escort Eagle
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 110
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

                I told you to replace those components .

                At the time of 4+7 what is the voltage at 8 and 11 PIN ??

                Check the T2 Transformer - Is it ok or not ? 1,2 & 5 will give you continuity and 3 & 4 will give you continuity . Shown in Image "IM-01"

                As far as I can Remember - I repaired a Power supply which Transformer was same like as yours . I can remember that power supply was not running . Every Parts was OK but PSU was not turning on !! Then I changed the T2 transformer but Power supply did not run !! At last I changed the Main T1 Transformer and PSU Started running . But Meter is showing Transformer is OK !! My Meter is giving continuity in both Primary side and Secondary Side . No side is open . That transformer still is in my vault . I have uploaded the Picture of that Transformer "IM-02" .
                Attached Files

                Comment

                • stefos
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 91
                  • Greece

                  #9
                  Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

                  Originally posted by Escort Eagle
                  I told you to replace those components .

                  At the time of 4+7 what is the voltage at 8 and 11 PIN ??

                  Check the T2 Transformer - Is it ok or not ? 1,2 & 5 will give you continuity and 3 & 4 will give you continuity . Shown in Image "IM-01"

                  As far as I can Remember - I repaired a Power supply which Transformer was same like as yours . I can remember that power supply was not running . Every Parts was OK but PSU was not turning on !! Then I changed the T2 transformer but Power supply did not run !! At last I changed the Main T1 Transformer and PSU Started running . But Meter is showing Transformer is OK !! My Meter is giving continuity in both Primary side and Secondary Side . No side is open . That transformer still is in my vault . I have uploaded the Picture of that Transformer "IM-02" .
                  I had replaced the 2 resistors (100 Ohm and 620 Ohm) and 1N4148 diode, but the psu didn't work, so this is the reason I mentioned that those parts were tested and founded to be okay.

                  At the time of 4+7 what is the voltage at 8 and 11 PIN ??
                  Voltage measurements on TL494 IC was as following:

                  Pin 1: 1.3 mv
                  Pin 2: 4.930 v
                  Pin 3: 62 mv
                  Pin 4: 0.6 mv
                  Pin 5: 1.497 v
                  Pin 6: 3.706 v
                  Pin 7: GRD (0 v)
                  Pin 8: 1.591 v
                  Pin 9: 0.6 mv
                  Pin 10: 0.6 mv
                  Pin 11: 1.581 v
                  Pin 12: 10.37 v
                  Pin 13: 5.012 v
                  Pin 14: 5.012 v
                  Pin 15: 4.018 v
                  Pin 16: 517.8 mv

                  T2 Voltage on pins 1-2-3 was 1.751 v and continuity test was exactly as you refered.

                  Unfortunatlly I don't have this type of T1 transformer to try it out.My meter gives continuity in both 1-2-3 primary pins and 1-2-3-4-5-6 pins on secondary side.

                  Comment

                  • Escort Eagle
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 110
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

                    Your TL494 is switching properly . The Problem is laid after the IC to T2 Transformer . First Replace the Switching Transistors C2235 With C945/C1815 . Let's see PSU runs or not .

                    Still the PSU is not running then change the T2 Transformer . I think it will solve your problem . To change the T2 Transformer you must be careful that Vdd will be in side position and other two pins will connected with switching transistors . Shown in Image "IM-03" . And Primary side's Pin Continuity will also match with the Original one .

                    By the way - In primary side All Parts are OK ?? I mean Four 1N4148 Diodes and two capacitors which you replaced - are they in right direction ??
                    Attached Files
                    Last edited by Escort Eagle; 05-02-2014, 10:38 AM.

                    Comment

                    • stefos
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 91
                      • Greece

                      #11
                      Re: Trust 420W PSU DUAL FAN PW-5210 only +5VSB output

                      Originally posted by Escort Eagle
                      Your TL494 is switching properly . The Problem is laid after the IC to T2 Transformer . First Replace the Switching Transistors C2235 With C945/C1815 . Let's see PSU runs or not .
                      Replaced with 2 x C945 didn't fix the problem.

                      Still the PSU is not running then change the T2 Transformer . I think it will solve your problem . To change the T2 Transformer you must be careful that Vdd will be in side position and other two pins will connected with switching transistors . Shown in Image "IM-03" . And Primary side's Pin Continuity will also match with the Original one .
                      Used another T2 transformer with same continuity and got same voltage output (see image [470]). Problem remain.

                      By the way - In primary side All Parts are OK ?? I mean Four 1N4148 Diodes and two capacitors which you replaced - are they in right direction ??
                      Test out of circuit 4 x 1N4148 diodes and was ok and the new caps direction is ok too (negative polarity is facing pFET's).

                      Probably the problem exists on T1 transformer as you mentioned before.
                      Attached Files

                      Comment

                      Related Topics

                      Collapse

                      • прямо
                        Viper22A 5VSB circuit
                        by прямо
                        So I have a cheap non working ATX PSU that I was learning to repair a decade ago. At the time, it blew the main fuse, bridger rectifier, NTC, and primary 9A 900V MOSFET. Replaced all except the MOSFET. 5VSB came back online. Then I poked around in it so much, measuring components one by one to a point I accidentally made the 5VSB circuit primary side went bang. Blown the AP8022 (Viper22A) PWM chip, along with a low resistance resistor and the PC817 opto isolator. I replaced them all.

                        In the process of poking around, I also lost a zener diode that stabilize the voltage coming from...
                        01-13-2024, 07:05 PM
                      • kotel studios
                        FSP300-60GTF - no 5VSB, PS_ON; 5VSB carnage
                        by kotel studios
                        Hi,

                        Finally replaced all of the shorted 4148's and resistors and an blown tl431 on my FSP300-60GTF after 5VSB going crazy and destroying it self. Those components also made the secondary transistors appear shorted (while in reality they weren't).
                        Powered it on through my dim bulb tester and they (bulbs) only flash once meaning primary caps are getting charged, but that's it. No 5VSB, PS_ON voltages.
                        I am sure I have replaced the components correctly and that there weren't any shorted/blown traces left.

                        Any ideas where to go next?
                        02-23-2025, 11:47 AM
                      • mrcliem
                        CM V700 no +5vsb, ICE2QR4765 low VCC in... Need guidance please...
                        by mrcliem
                        Hello...

                        I got my self a dead CM V700 PSU, with nothing on +5vsb

                        I have tried to fix it for the past 2 week, and I'm stuck... so i guess i post it here to get some pointer before i scrap it..

                        As you can see in photo, the psu still pretty clean, no visible damage or bulging cap.. when i got it, it still has CM seal on it

                        The +5vsb system use ICE2QR4765, I have trace and measure the voltage on ICE2QR4765 and the only voltage reading i got is in VCC 4.8v, Drain 310v and FB 3v.

                        I have read the datasheet and and still can not...
                        06-29-2023, 08:18 AM
                      • socketa
                        Zalman ZM500-GV stops after 40s and 5VSB drops to 2.5V
                        by socketa
                        Rescued this one
                        Started it up in the computer case, and noticed that it would shut down after about 10s in the BIOS
                        Took it out, connected to hard drive and it loses all power on all rails (except for 5VSB) after about 40s or so. (the same result happens without a hard drive connected)
                        The 5VSB drops to 2.5V when it 'shuts down'
                        And the voltage across the primary cap falls from 335V to 330V at the same moment
                        I think that the 5VSB is regulated by an A6069H PWM chip (which was initially dropping to 2.5V even before the the PS-ON was grounded - but it now stays at...
                        12-20-2022, 03:06 AM
                      • hobostove
                        Corsair RM1000e - Help identify 5VSB Zener diode
                        by hobostove
                        Hey there guys. I've got a Corsair power supply that's come across my bench dead. I usually don't mess with power supplies, but it's a slow week so I'm giving it a whirl.

                        Taking it apart I heard a screw rattling around inside, and when I got it apart I found a couple blown components near what I think is the 5VSB area.

                        There's a 22ohm resistor that's melted and open, but it still has the bands.

                        The other part is a zener diode and it's top went to jesus, so I can't read the marking.

                        It looks like the diode connects the source and drain of a TNY284...
                        03-27-2025, 02:25 PM
                      • Loading...
                      • No more items.
                      Working...