Shame on you Corsair! (Capxon)

[Shocker]

Re: Shame on you Corsair! (Capxon)

Yeah though, shame on Corsair for using Capxon capacitors. There is no excuse for using them. They are easily the worst of the worst of the commonly known capacitor brands.

You mean, besides Sacon FZ?
Or Rulycon???
Or Jackcon???


But yeah, it's a shame. Not all that surprising, since even Panasonic has started to lose it, but still a shame.

[Wester547]

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That's a HiPro?? Where's the massive heat sinks and spots for 12.5 mm caps?

You mean... like this!?!?! I'm not sure if the URLed PSU has room for 12.5mm capacitors but it does have massive heatsinks, passive PFC, an overspec'd primary (and probably secondary) area and an ultraspeed, temperature-controlled fan (80mm sleeve bearing from ADDA), which is overkill if you look at what's on the label of the 250W on the linked page. It's a RoHS compliant PSU, too, from August of 2011 judging by the datecode of the primary capacitors, though it seems to be a newer revision of an older PSU but even then, it's good to know that nice Hipro units are not too far gone.

Oh well... at least it's still a HiPro. Their older OEM units often used crappy caps that lasted for many years, mostly because those PSUs were so well designed

Older PSUs tend to be more overbuilt and atop that the demand for power was probably less in older systems.

Yeah, I saw that, BUT corsair are wrong in saying the failure rates are as low as they are. Taicon are not as good as their parent company, and never have been. Delta are just good at not stressing their caps, so even CapXon and LTEC can last ages in there. Oklahoma Wolf clases Taicon as being on par with Teapo, and I think that's the general opinion of them here as well.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, Delta PSUs are not as well built as they used to be either. PCBONEZ said a bloated Ltec is not a stranger to him in a Delta PSU and I've seen posts on here with bloated Ltecs and Taicons from Delta PSUs.

Yeah though, shame on Corsair for using Capxon capacitors if you don't count fake polymers (Sacon). There is no excuse for using them. They are easily the worst of the worst of the commonly known capacitor brands.

[Behemot]

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That's very bad. I guess I will get some of them Corsair PSU's on my new table soon.

[c_hegge]

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The TX650 V3 also uses junk caps (Samxon GF) http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cas...n_9.html#sect0

[c_hegge]

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Yes, that's $130 AUD. I searched high and low, but I couldn't find a single retailer selling one any cheaper than that.

[Per Hansson]

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^
As I said, Seasonic are very expensive here. The G-360 starts at $130. Seriously, the OCZ ZS 650W was only $80

Wow that's justs crazy!
Is that in Australian dollars?
Here in Sweden the Seasonic G-360w PSU I linked previously has a quite competitive price.
I linked it to digge when he asked what PSU's to buy nowdays that has all Japanese electrolytic capacitors...

[c_hegge]

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Yeah, I saw that, BUT corsair are wrong in saying the failure rates are as low as they are. Taicon are not as good as their parent company, and never have been. Delta are just good at not stressing their caps, so even CapXon and LTEC can last ages in there. Oklahoma Wolf clases Taicon as being on par with Teapo, and I think that's the general opinion of them here as well.

[mariushm]

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Well, I have to appreciate the Corsair rep answering on jonnyguru ... seems like an honest answer to me...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/show...?t=9489&page=2

There's no cost issue here - we have an approved vendor list. Anything that's on the list can be used. The vendor list is highly scrutinized and severely limited at the AX-level product. To get on the approved vendor list for AX the field failure rates and other performance specs have to be exceptionally tight, which is why we offer a 7 year warranty on those parts.

If Engineering has approved 4 separate vendors for the AXi secondary caps, then whatever's in stock and available can be built with those parts. You could buy one tomorrow and you might get Rubycon, Taicon, Nippon-Chemicon, or whatever else was on our approved vendor list.

Taicon is partially owned by Nichicon and the factory making these caps makes them to the Japanese standards with the Japanese methodology. The field failure rate is very, very low. Flex uses these caps on a lot of server products that have even more stringent lifespan and performance requirements than we do.

But then again, this is the internet, so I expect a percentage of people will use this to wag their finger at us despite having limited or no knowledge whatsoever of the lifespan or performance requirements.

Just like people complained that we used "too fast" a fan in one of our PSUs even though the fan maxed out at 60% duty cycle or something.

That is great, but they are in no way Japanese capacitors as has been advertised:

http://www.corsair.com/us/blog/ax-se...nical-overview

and that is where your problem is going to be. Taiwan and mainland China offices/factories/workers are not Japanese.

You are 100% correct, and this is being addressed. Jon wrote that blog almost immediately after he joined, and his unit (and most units) did have 100% Japanese capacitors.

To be honest, until today, I'd assumed the AX series was 100% Japanese caps too.

If somebody bought one based on that blog and was upset by the capacitor choice, I'll make it right somehow. Whether it be a replacement or whatever, we'll figure it out.

The last thing I want to do is mislead anybody. I may be stupid sometimes, but I'm not trying to be dishonest.

I personally don't have anything against Taicon - hell, my Delta 100w psu has them and they still measure well after decades.

[c_hegge]

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Yes, and referbished/re-capped OEM PSUs are great for that. I've used them in repairs lots of times, and it's never been a problem.

[Behemot]

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Sure if somebody wants new stuff, he gets new stuff, I won't be putting used parts in whats supposed to be brandly new, not suicider Many people buy refurbished components on the other hand, for their custom builds, as a replacement if their crappy PSU dies and so on

[c_hegge]

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Yeah. I like getting my hands on used OEM PSUs, but the problem is that I often have to build and sell new PCs at work, and unfortunately, you can't use used/refurbished parts in what's supposed to be a brand new PC.

[Behemot]

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Do that too, but…recap it anyways. Got two reasons:

1. you NEVER know when the crap caps decide to go away and I cannot afford RMAs from my customers with so low prices; with good caps, there is a possibilty it will work for next 5 years if nothing else goes wrong
2. reputation - with selling quiality, stable, long-running stuff, people will more likely come again to buy something else from me than if it would die after a year

Your thinkng is exactly what brought us here and to this Corsair affair.

[momaka]

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The new TX750V3 and TX850v3 will now be made by Hipro, but here's an internal shot of one of the new Hipro builds.

That's a HiPro?? Where's the massive heat sinks and spots for 12.5 mm caps?
Oh well... at least it's still a HiPro. Their older OEM units often used crappy caps that lasted for many years, mostly because those PSUs were so well designed.

Maybe the solution is to get a half-decent PSU with crappy caps and re-cap it.

Or in my case, I trail ebay for bargains, and easily see a genuine 500-600W Corsair/Seasonic/OCZ etc. PSU going as faulty for about £10, plus it's quite fun to try and diagnose/repair the fault and you know what the build quality is like.

+1
That way you know exactly how the PSU's built.

Micro Center around here sells refurb. 250W OEM PSUs pulled from old Pentium 4 Dell/Gateway/HP computers. Most of those are Delta/Newton or HiPro units (with the occasional Bestec and FSP) that are built like tanks. For $8.07, I think they are well worth it. Sure their efficiency might suck... but who cares about that anyways.
I just replaced a cheapie "tin-can" PSU last week for my friend's boss at his work with one of those 250W refurbs - more precisely a 250W Delta with Ltec caps. Subpar caps - yes. Likely to fail - nope (not soon anyways). The PC was a basic one anyways - a low-power Intel Core Duo or similar with integrated graphics. Nothing those OEM PSUs can't handle.

[c_hegge]

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^
As I said, Seasonic are very expensive here. The G-360 starts at $130. Seriously, the OCZ ZS 650W was only $80

[Per Hansson]

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The question now is, who to jump ship to. XFX no longer sell anything in Aus, so they are gone, and OCZ seems to be going down that route too. Seasonic are VERY overpriced in Aus and no one else uses Jap caps.

Seasonic's new G series:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Seasonic/G550/4.html

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...tory4&reid=313

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=1377903

[Behemot]

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Everyone does. Just have to pick the one who either select the best for the price on their own, or tell them exactly what we want inside and what price we would like for it

[mariushm]

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I vote with Seasonic ... but I'm biased as I have the X-650

They do use some less popular capacitors on their more budget power supplies though.

[Behemot]

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I have no problems with HiPro as long as they keep making what we tell them to do. They can build pretty decent supplies.

I would not vote for FSP Group though, they PSUs suck more and more.

[ben7]

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I keep say'n, we need a badcaps brand PSU (NOT made by hipro or powmax )

The light green caps could also be Ltec

[Behemot]

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The question now is, who to jump ship to. XFX no longer sell anything in Aus, so they are gone, and OCZ seems to be going down that route too. Seasonic are VERY overpriced in Aus and no one else uses Jap caps.

I'd say otherwise, OCZ is going up. Their ZS is probably cheapest PSU with minimum built quality for me (quality caps and good efficiency) arround here.