ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

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  • MichR
    Member
    • Jan 2016
    • 42
    • Italy

    #1

    ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

    Hello everyone
    I've bought this laptop which had got a corrupted BIOS. I've reflashed it and now it works fine. However, I've noticed it does not charge the battery: Windows says "0% plugged in, charging" but nothing happens even after many minutes. Battery utilities correctly read its data (model, charge, etc.).

    I've disassembled the laptop again to look for damages in the charging circuit.
    This notebook uses a BQ24725A IC charger. I've measured all the voltages out of its pins. These are my measurements (all relative to GND):

    1 ACN 19,30
    2 ACP 19,30
    3 CMSRC 19,30
    4 ACDRV 25,00
    5 ACOK 3,00
    6 ACDET 2,62
    7 IOUT 0,00
    8 SDA 3,30
    9 SCL 3,30
    10 ILIM 0,82
    11 BATDRV 4,32
    12 SRN 4,322
    13 SRP 4,389
    14 GND 0,00
    15 LODRV 0,75*
    16 REGN 6,00
    17 BTST 10,20*
    18 HIDRV 5,33*
    19 PHASE 4,32*
    20 VCC 18,80

    I placed an asterisk* near some values because it is just an average voltage. Indeed, the signals associated are periodic waveforms (square wave-like). Here you can view a gallery of them (oscilloscope settings: 10V/div, 0.5µs/div): https://postimg.org/gallery/35fhvsx14/
    I don't know if these signals are correct (or is it just the charger restarting itself?).

    SMBus communication should be correctly working. I can see data exchange to and from the battery continously.

    The voltage the battery receives from the charger is about 4.3V, and battery's nominal voltage is 15V, so it's defintely too low to charge it.
    Actually, I don't even know if the battery works. As I said, I've bought this laptop as used. However, after several trials I noticed that once or twice the battery received about 16V from the charger. I don't understand what makes it work correctly in these rare cases.

    Something else I noticed is that part of the battery warms up if connected for some time to the computer and some components (N-MOSFETS, inductor, the charger) warm up a little bit as well.

    Anyway, so far I've replaced the BQ24725A IC, some Shottcky diodes and the two N-MOSFETS (high and low side) which have been the culprits of many notebooks' faults. The situation isn't changed at all. That is why I am kindly asking here for help. Thanks

    Oh, and if you need to see the circuit, just search for ASUS UX31 schematics, the same charging circuit is implemented there as well.
  • MichR
    Member
    • Jan 2016
    • 42
    • Italy

    #2
    Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

    So I did another test. I plugged in the adapter and then I plugged in / unplugged the battery continously until I got a good 16.7V on the positive battery rail. I left the battery there for some hours. When I came back the charging led was blinking and the voltage lowered to 0.
    I observed that under these conditions the battery and circuit do not warm up.

    Measurements coming soon.

    Edit: measurements:

    1 ACN 19,30
    2 ACP 19,30
    3 CMSRC 19,30
    4 ACDRV 25,20
    5 ACOK 2,99
    6 ACDET 2,62
    7 IOUT 0,0041
    8 SDA 3,30
    9 SCL 3,30
    10 ILIM 0,82
    11 BATDRV 16,78
    12 SRN 16,78
    13 SRP 16,78
    14 GND 0,00
    15 LODRV 0,11*
    16 REGN 6,01
    17 BTST 21,8*
    18 HIDRV (multimeter measures 94V, via the oscilloscope I can say it's about 15 volts)
    19 PHASE 18,16*
    20 VCC 18,68


    Picture of the battery charging circuit if needed (taken from UX31 schematics)
    Last edited by MichR; 04-14-2017, 12:23 AM.

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    • jiroy
      Badcaps Legend
      • Jun 2016
      • 2416
      • Lebanon

      #3
      Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

      I like your thematic and keen observations , your precise voltages as well , but your heating battery is defective , and better replace it before you or it do some undesirable damage ...

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      • MichR
        Member
        • Jan 2016
        • 42
        • Italy

        #4
        Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

        Hello and thank you for your response!

        Actually just an isolated part of the battery is warming up. Do you really think it's defective? You could be right. Seller said the notebook was used for a little time, but he could have lied as well.

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        • meritosari
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 774
          • Indonesia

          #5
          Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

          Originally posted by MichR
          19 PHASE 18,16*
          My concern that seem voltage of pin 19 close value of ac bat sys, first check high side mosfet of charging controller if has shorted drain to source
          Last edited by meritosari; 04-14-2017, 05:18 AM.

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          • jiroy
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jun 2016
            • 2416
            • Lebanon

            #6
            Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

            Originally posted by MichR
            Hello and thank you for your response!

            Actually just an isolated part of the battery is warming up. Do you really think it's defective? You could be right. Seller said the notebook was used for a little time, but he could have lied as well.
            Welcome MichR; Yes , the battery is defective and , No , it doesn't mean he lied , maybe the battery was deteriorating by a non use time . When we store Laptops , we usually remove batteries anyway .

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            • MichR
              Member
              • Jan 2016
              • 42
              • Italy

              #7
              Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

              Originally posted by meritosari
              My concern that seem voltage of pin 19 close value of ac bat sys, first check high side mosfet of charging controller if has shorted drain to source
              I've already tested it and correctly replaced with a new one.
              As I previously stated, only in rare occasions the battery is charged with a high voltage (16.8V) and therefore I get 18.16V on PHASE pin, all the other times I get 4.3V (refer to the first list of measurements) as well as on PHASE pin.

              Originally posted by jiroy
              Welcome MichR; Yes , the battery is defective and , No , it doesn't mean he lied , maybe the battery was deteriorating by a non use time . When we store Laptops , we usually remove batteries anyway .
              Oh, that's plausible. I will get a new battery then. May I ask you if you know some good compatible brands, or is it just better to buy a genuine one? So far I've only found a genuine ASUS battery on ebay from China.

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              • jiroy
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jun 2016
                • 2416
                • Lebanon

                #8
                Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

                Originally posted by MichR



                Oh, that's plausible. I will get a new battery then. May I ask you if you know some good compatible brands, or is it just better to buy a genuine one? So far I've only found a genuine ASUS battery on ebay from China.
                A Genuine Asus is better , my last experiences with compatible and cheaper replacements got me a real hard time . Not my fault though , it was my provider greed , lol ..

                Good luck ..

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                • MichR
                  Member
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 42
                  • Italy

                  #9
                  Re: ASUS S56CM (K56) battery not charging

                  Update 05/21:
                  I received the new battery, and now everything works! (what a waste of time replacing components )
                  Thank you very much jiroy, you were right

                  Thread can be marked as solved

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