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  • mon2
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    • Dec 2019
    • 13834
    • Canada

    #21
    See attached. The pins you just referenced are SMBUS signal lines. These same signals are mated with pull-up resistors @ RE8 and RE9.

    Measure the voltage to ground on each side of these resistors to confirm if we indeed have the pull-up voltage or not.

    If you have +3VALW_EC present at the RE8 and RE9 resistors then the EC should be powered. Confirm the RTC_CELL voltage as well.

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    • lawrenceptrini
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      • Mar 2023
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      #22
      Hi,

      If I'm correct, I measured the voltage to ground of the resistors in line with pins 8 & 9 of EC chip.
      Got 3.3v on either side of both resistors. RTC_CELL voltage on pin 122 of EC is 3.079v

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      • mon2
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        • Dec 2019
        • 13834
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        #23
        Measure the voltage to ground on pins 6 and also 7 on the battery connector. The voltage should be ~3v3 for each pin.

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        • lawrenceptrini
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          #24
          Voltage on pins 6 & 7 of Battery connector is 3.3v for both with ac adapter only plugged in.

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          • mon2
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            • Dec 2019
            • 13834
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            #25
            Check each of these voltages with only the battery. No power adapter.

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            • lawrenceptrini
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              • Mar 2023
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              #26
              Voltages of pins 6 & 7 of battery connector with Battery only connected is 0.000v for both pins.

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              • mon2
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                • Dec 2019
                • 13834
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                #27
                Check if you have +3VALW with only the battery.

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                • lawrenceptrini
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                  • Mar 2023
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                  #28
                  If I'm correct, I checked a few places like Q15 and UL2 for +3VALW, but got 0.000v with just the battery plugged in.

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                  • mon2
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                    • Dec 2019
                    • 13834
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                    #29
                    Carefully measure the voltage to ground of each pin on the charger IC at PUB01. Post the table o measurements along with their pin and function labels. Important ones include to check the VCC pin to confirm the charger IC is being powered when using only the battery. Others including PSYS are of interest.

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                    • lawrenceptrini
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                      • Mar 2023
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                      #30
                      Hi, Thanks,
                      Will do....

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                      • lawrenceptrini
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                        • Mar 2023
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                        #31
                        Measurements taken with Battery only plugged in.

                        PIN# LABEL VALUE

                        1 CSON 10.70
                        2 CSOP 10.70
                        3 FSET 0.000
                        4 QPCP 0.020
                        5 CMSRC 0.074
                        6 QPCN 0.012
                        7 ASGATE 0.068
                        8 VDDP 0.004
                        9 LGATE 0.010
                        10 PHASE 10.70
                        11 UGATE 10.26
                        12 BOOT 10.26
                        13 NTC 0.014
                        14 CSIN 0.022
                        15 CSIP 0.022
                        16 ACIN 0.000
                        17 DCIN 0.002
                        18 VDD 0.005
                        19 PROG 0.000
                        20 ACLIM 0.002
                        21 SDA 0.000
                        22 SCL 0.000
                        23 PROCHOT# 0.005
                        24 ACOK 0.003
                        25 BATGONE 0.002
                        26 CCLIM 0.012
                        27 BMON 0.002
                        28 COMP 0.012
                        29 AMON 0.013
                        30 PSYS 0.000
                        31 VBAT 10.70
                        32 BGATE 9.97​

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                        • mon2
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                          • Dec 2019
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                          #32
                          See a few issues:

                          17 DCIN 0.002
                          30 PSYS 0.000
                          Locate the dual diode @ PDB01. Measure the voltage to ground on each pin.

                          Locate the resistor at PRB35. Measure the voltage to ground on each pin of this resistor. Remove all power. Measure the resistance of the resistor @ PRB35 in ohms. This resistor should be ~100 ohms when measuring across pins 1 & 2. Respectively, the battery voltage should be present on pin # 2 (after this 100 ohm resistor).

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                          • lawrenceptrini
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                            #33
                            Voltage to ground on pins of Dual Diode PDB01: Pin 1=0.100, Pin2=0.010, Pin3=0.110.

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                            • lawrenceptrini
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                              #34
                              Still have to locate resistor PRB35, seems to be on the other side of the motherboard.
                              Will be away from pc for a short while.....

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                              • lawrenceptrini
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                                #35
                                Found resistor through continuity. I'm getting a beep only on one side.
                                Voltage to ground with Battery only plugged in is 10.55v on each side.
                                With all power removed the resistance across pins 1 and 2 is 101.8 ohms.

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                                • mon2
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                                  • Dec 2019
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                                  #36
                                  Then PSYS cannot be 0v. Confirm this measurement:
                                  30 PSYS 0.000

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                                  • lawrenceptrini
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                                    #37
                                    Hi,
                                    I double checked PSYS, with Battery only: 0.000v, with adapter only: 0.000v, with both plugged in: 0.000v

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                                    • mcplslg123
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                                      • Jun 2015
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                                      #38
                                      MEC SIO tends to have issue with dry soldering. Touch up all the pins with lot of flux and solder iron.

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                                      • mon2
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                                        • Dec 2019
                                        • 13834
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                                        #39
                                        The charger IC is not being powered when using the battery only. See the voltage to ground on pin # 17 = 0v.

                                        The voltage is fed through the dual common cathode diode PDB01 where BA_PWR should be the voltage feed from the battery and +19V_IN is the voltage from the power adapter. If either voltage source is present, the charger IC will be powered.

                                        We know the power adapter leg is fine but battery side is not working.

                                        Review the voltage to ground on each pin of:

                                        PQB28
                                        PQB29


                                        To me, the pin # on the drawn schematic symbol is not correct. Does not match the datasheet for each of these transistors. Measure the voltage to ground and use the pin # they show in the schematic for a review.

                                        What should be happening is that when the power adapter is absent and only the battery is the source, then BA_PWR should offer the battery voltage to power the charger IC.


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                                        • lawrenceptrini
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                                          #40
                                          Ok, will do

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