Usb rechargeable hair clippers blown tp4056 and zener diode

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  • lcdcaps1
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    • Oct 2011
    • 322

    #1

    Usb rechargeable hair clippers blown tp4056 and zener diode

    Hi
    all
    I have a usb rechargeable hair trimmers that should work plugged in and charge
    it stopped working no led norhing

    I've opened it up and see the tp4056 chip has blown
    There is a zener diode that I tested and get a near short ohms reading no matter which way my leads are
    I don't know what to replace this with
    Please help
    thanks so much
  • stj
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    • Dec 2009
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    • Albion

    #2
    a 5v1 zener - 500mW probably,
    it is to protect against a bad psu so check the psu is giving a clean 5v or less.
    maybe upgrade the zener to 5v6 but it doesnt explain the chip unless somebody tried to run the motor while the psu was plugged in

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    • stj
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      • Dec 2009
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      #3
      actually i'm slightly wrong, the zener is to stop the motor spiking the chip,
      so if you can fit one - use a 1w or higher diode

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      • lcdcaps1
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Oct 2011
        • 322

        #4
        Originally posted by stj
        actually i'm slightly wrong, the zener is to stop the motor spiking the chip,
        so if you can fit one - use a 1w or higher diode
        Thanks for the reply
        When you say a 1w diode
        is that still a 5v1

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        • petehall347
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          • Jan 2015
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          #5
          did you test the diode on the board ? if so either remove it to test or disconnect the motor

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          • lcdcaps1
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            • Oct 2011
            • 322

            #6
            Originally posted by petehall347
            did you test the diode on the board ? if so either remove it to test or disconnect the motor
            Yes I tested the diode it was a showing low ohms reading both ways

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            • stj
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              • Dec 2009
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              #7
              if you left the motor connected you will be seing the motor windings.
              desolder the motor wires.

              did you use this while it was charging btw?
              i'v never seen a tp4056 cooked like that!
              maybe the battery needs to be checked!

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              • lcdcaps1
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                • Oct 2011
                • 322

                #8
                Originally posted by stj
                if you left the motor connected you will be seing the motor windings.
                desolder the motor wires.

                did you use this while it was charging btw?
                i'v never seen a tp4056 cooked like that!
                maybe the battery needs to be checked!
                Thanks for the reply
                I will do that
                does that mean the Zener diode would still be ok
                After speaking to the person who gave this to me, to look at
                They said they plugged in another cable that had the same connector but the power adapter was different
                was not usb
                I believe that this is why the TP4056 blew

                I I replace the TP4056 and deal with the burn damage
                will it work again or should I replace the zener diode as well with a higher one
                Thanks

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                • lcdcaps1
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                  • Oct 2011
                  • 322

                  #9
                  Can I use
                  1N4734A
                  5v6 1w

                  instead of smd

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                  • stj
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                    #10
                    if it fits,
                    make sure there is room to put the case together over it
                    but the original may be good still

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                    • lcdcaps1
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                      • Oct 2011
                      • 322

                      #11
                      Originally posted by stj
                      if it fits,
                      make sure there is room to put the case together over it
                      but the original may be good still
                      Is there any way to know if the Zenner diode is ok without removing it

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                      • lcdcaps1
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 322

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stj
                        if you left the motor connected you will be seing the motor windings.
                        desolder the motor wires.

                        did you use this while it was charging btw?
                        i'v never seen a tp4056 cooked like that!
                        maybe the battery needs to be checked!
                        You were right
                        I got 1.6 ohms across the motor terminals and
                        i got 1.7 ohms across the diode both ways

                        i got 0.002 v drop both ways

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                        • petehall347
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                          • Jan 2015
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                          #13
                          did you disconnect the motor yet ?

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                          • lcdcaps1
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                            • Oct 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by petehall347
                            did you disconnect the motor yet ?
                            In the process of doing it

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                            • lcdcaps1
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                              • Oct 2011
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                              #15
                              I am thinking that should i replace with a new better zenner diode as I am replacing the chip

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                              • lcdcaps1
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                                • Oct 2011
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                                #16
                                Would it be better to replace it with a 5v1 diode or a 5v6 diode, please
                                i think the glass might be cracked

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                                • stj
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                                  #17
                                  you could use 5v1,
                                  normally you wouldnt use a zener across a motor so i dont know why it's there.
                                  you would use a 1N4007 rectifier

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                                  • petehall347
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                                    • Jan 2015
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                                    #18
                                    maybe using it to regulate motor speed ?

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                                    • lcdcaps1
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                                      • Oct 2011
                                      • 322

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by petehall347
                                      maybe using it to regulate motor speed ?
                                      Thanks for the reply
                                      I can replqce with a 5v1 zener diode smd which is 0.5 w
                                      or 5v1 zener diode 1w which is through hole

                                      I'm thinking if I replace with the 1w zenner diode it will add a bit more protection
                                      any thoughts please
                                      Thanks

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                                      • stj
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                                        #20
                                        a 1w will take more stress before failing - if it even did fail

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