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    Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

    Originally posted by stj View Post
    if you fit a double-pole 240v 32A RCD between the double breaker and the IEC socket, it solves the electrical problem
    not sure about this "code" crap though.

    in short, an RCD monitors the current on the 2 wires - if one is higher it assumes a problem and trips.
    if a single-pole breaker on the pdu trips, the rcd should trip.

    infact if your concerned about kids in the basement, an rcd on it is a good idea anyway.
    it will trip if it see's a difference of 30ma - that's good enough to save someone who touches a live terminal.
    Can that be installed on an entire breaker panel or would we need one for each device (receptacles, etc)? In the USA, all fifty states must follow the National Electric Code. It's a very large set of standards setup in place that say things like if you're using a 15-amp breaker, you cannot use anything smaller than 14 gauge wire. Or if you're using a 20-amp breaker, you can't use anything less than 12-gauge. Or if you're going to bury the wire, it needs to be a certain type. There's different NEC's for Commercial. They're held to a bit higher standard.

    Local Jurisdictions can add to the NEC but they cannot remove from it (to my knowledge). For example, in my area, I believe our county added that any new construction must have arc-fault breakers, not gfci breakers or normal breakers.

    The NEC is updated every 3 years I think? The current NEC is 2017. You can setup a free account and view the entire NEC on one of the government webpages. It's huge. In cities, especially like mine, anytime any electrical work is done, we're supposed to get a permit (by sketching up what we're planning on doing), and once it's approved, we start work. Throughout the process, depending on what you're doing, the local code inspector will come and inspect the work. If you're adding a new addition to the house, there'd be four phases for the inspect. They'd come up once the foundation was laid to inspect it. They'd come up when the frame was up, to inspect it. They'd come up once the electrical was ran to inspect it, and finally, once it was all done they'd come in for their final inspection.

    In some states though, or depending on what you're doing, you, as a regular Joe, might not be able to submit a sketch of what you're doing. You might need a real engineer to sign off on real blueprints or something before work can begin. If we want a walk-around balcony, we'd need a real engineer to sign off on the blue-prints, stating exactly how many people it could support, the maximum weight, etc.

    That way, we don't have idiots that think they know how to wire up a house try wiring up a house and causing a fire that spreads and catches all the other houses on fire.
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      Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

      Originally posted by budm View Post
      The first link you provide I get the message below:
      HPE Metered and Switched Power Distribution Units
      Select an HPE product

      The page you requested has changed. Please select your product below to be directed to your product information. We recommend you bookmark the new page destination for future inquiries.
      No results
      That sounds like HPE. The PDU is part number P9S16A, if that helps any. I'll go look for the logo or something where the input plug goes into the PDU.
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        Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

        Nothing by the cable. But on top of the PDU, near the front, there's this sticker that probably contains the info you're looking for. It's hard to take a pic because the flash wants to reflect off of it, so sorry it's a bit blurry.

        So I believe EAC (Eurasian Conformity) is the compliancy agency.
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          Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

          EAC can be done by compliance tester which will perform the test per EAC requirement, I.E. TuV can provide testing. TuV is just one of many compliance testers out there.

          At this point I have no suggestion, but as long as it is done properly, safely, and up to code then it should not be problem.
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            Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

            RCD's come in many forms and can be used anywhere - they are extra and not substitutes for breakers.
            i will be more specific later.

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              Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

              Example of GFCI Circuit breakers:
              https://www.homedepot.com/b/Electric...vZbm16Z1z0mh9u
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                Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                those are no good, they are 110v

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                  Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                  Originally posted by stj View Post
                  those are no good, they are 110v
                  That is just examples of what they make for panel mounted breaker with GFCI, OP just has to get the right Voltage and current as needed.
                  Last edited by budm; 05-21-2018, 11:56 AM.
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                    Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                    Originally posted by Spork Schivago View Post
                    Maybe it's because I've been buying them at Home Depot and Lowes and I can get higher quality ones somewheres else? But they always feel real chinsee to me. Even when I plug in the plug and twist it, it always feels like something is going to break off.
                    I would try an Ace and maybe an Agway! They're more likely to have U.S.A.-manufactured receptacles...

                    At Walmart, you can forget about it! All the receptacle packages at the closest Walmart I saw, indicate China... Avoid the Jasco brand! They are nothing more than a company who slaps the GE brand on Chinese products!
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                      Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                      spork, check this channel.
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                        Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                        Originally posted by budm View Post
                        EAC can be done by compliance tester which will perform the test per EAC requirement, I.E. TuV can provide testing. TuV is just one of many compliance testers out there.

                        At this point I have no suggestion, but as long as it is done properly, safely, and up to code then it should not be problem.
                        Thank you BudM. We're trying to RMA the PDU and getting the North American version. According to our, despite the fact that we installed it in the rack, because it's never been powered on, they should be able to accept it, however, we might need to pay a restocking fee. At this point, we're okay with that.
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                          Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                          Originally posted by budm View Post
                          That is just examples of what they make for panel mounted breaker with GFCI, OP just has to get the right Voltage and current as needed.
                          I'm familiar with GFCI breakers. I wanted Arc-Fault originally, but my electrician talked me out of them. Was thinking of spending the cash some day on the more expensive GFCI breakers.

                          He said with the type of loads I had, arc fault would not be a good idea. They'd trip all the time.

                          I don't remember what he said about the GFCI breakers. Do you guys foresee any issues with using GFCI breakers (replacing the current breakers with the same size GFCI breakers) for the type of loads I have, such as BGA rework station (~4800 watt), pre-heater (I think ~2000 watt, but might be mistaken), WHA-900 hot air rework station, digital soldering iron, logic anaylzer (mainframe), servers (2,800 watt each, two PSUs at 1,400 watt), vacuum cleaner, etc?

                          Shouldn't be any issues, right?
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                            Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                            Originally posted by RJARRRPCGP View Post
                            I would try an Ace and maybe an Agway! They're more likely to have U.S.A.-manufactured receptacles...

                            At Walmart, you can forget about it! All the receptacle packages at the closest Walmart I saw, indicate China... Avoid the Jasco brand! They are nothing more than a company who slaps the GE brand on Chinese products!
                            Gotcha.

                            I wish someone could recommend a higher quality NEMA L6-30R and L6-30P receptacle / plug, just something like manufacturer.
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                              Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                              So yesterday, my wife comes home at 9:45AM to meet her mother. She finds the baby standing in the crib, not making any noise, covered in poop. She had a dirty diaper and went diaper digging I guess. She wasn't crying or anything.

                              My wife attempted to wake me, normally my daughter wakes me around that time. Anyway, my wife was unsuccessful at waking me, and instead of calling 911 or something, she gets the baby cleaned up and passes her off to her mum.

                              I wake up at around 1:30PM. Keep in mind, the night before, I passed out on the floor from 7:00PM till 9:00PM and knew something was wrong. I found my wife upstairs playing with our daughter on the bed. She claimed she tried waking me, I wouldn't wake up, so she left me there. I ate some food, realizing it was my sugar and was good, or so I thought.

                              When I woke up at 1:30PM, somehow, I managed to drink the coffee, which had sugar in it. Enough for me to realize something wasn't right. I thought it was Tuesday and my came home at 11 and grabbed the baby and went somewheres. I manage to test my sugar and it's so low, my meter says it can't read it. I had a hell of a time getting it stable. I tested myself so many times yesterday.

                              When I awoke, what feels like my kindey is killing me! I call the docs, they tell me to come in that day at 2:40. My wife is always home by 2PM, so I say I think I can do that. Sure enough, she doesn't come home (at this point, I had made contact with her and she just hung up on me and was ignoring my calls).

                              She gave our daughter to my mother-in-law to watch. It blows my mind that both of them thought it was a good idea to just leave me there, knowing perfectly well that I couldn't be waken, and both thinking it was a brilliant idea to just give the baby to my mother-in-law, and leave me.

                              My wife finally comes home at around 4:00pm. I have to admit, I was a bit upset. I said if you had a heart attack, would you expect me to try to wake you, and be like hrrmm...Jess won't wake up. Better give our daughter to my mum and then go to a friends house to do some work for 6 - 7 hours?

                              Anyway, now we have it where she is going to wake me up before she goes to work, and if for some reason she cannot wake me, call 911 and tell them I got a sugar issue and she can't wake me.

                              I go see the doc today at 2:40pm. After canceling yesterday (10 mins after the appointment, if you're not there, they won't see you), they said take a cab or walk with our daughter if I have to.

                              Hopefully they can figure out what's going on. The last prognosis of why I lost so much weight so quickly (around 2 to 3 lbs a week) was stress. But something else is going on. I'm sleeping ~15 hours a day, everytime I drink anything, I gotta pee like a freaking race horse so bad that I can hardly hold it. If I don't go to the bathroom, I'll piss my pants. And my freaking lower right back (my side) is KILLING me! It freaking hurts.

                              Just wanted to give you guys an update on why I haven't been around lately.
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                                Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                Originally posted by budm View Post
                                EAC can be done by compliance tester which will perform the test per EAC requirement, I.E. TuV can provide testing. TuV is just one of many compliance testers out there.

                                At this point I have no suggestion, but as long as it is done properly, safely, and up to code then it should not be problem.
                                I will probably need to use such a service with my inventions that we plan on trying to sell to the public (and eventually, commercial) sector.

                                Because they're going to be drawing electricity, they're going to need to be tested, to see what interference they're putting off, etc, right? Is TuV what I'd use for compliance testing if our target market is the entire world?
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                                  Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                  We use UL for main local products, another lab for CSA for US/Canadian, TuV for export products. We spend over 1M each year for compliance testing plus the certificate maintenance for each each year. We also spend lots of money for EMI/EMC for FCC certificates. You can easily spend 10K on the first test, if it does not pass then you will have to spend more and prepare to have many many samples + the up to date compliance certificate for the listed critical components that are being used in the products. It is not cheap! You do not have to use other labs that will do the test according to the UL standard and it will be a lot cheaper than having it done at UL.
                                  We also use ETL marking (http://www.intertek.com/marks/etl/faq/) with the test done by Intertek.
                                  For China (CCC), Koreas (KC, can be done by TuV and others), Japan (PSE: https://www.jet.or.jp/en/import/index.html) you will need another compliance testing per their standdard just for those countries, they do not accept just the UL/TuV, they will want their own compliance standard, many countries are doing it that way. You need to do lots of research for compliance for each country, it is lots or works and costs lots of money. Look at all the logos printed on the products and you will see how much you have to go through to allow to put all those logos on the products.
                                  Last edited by budm; 05-25-2018, 11:59 AM.
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                                    Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                    That answered my next question, if I were targeting the world, would I need compliance testing for each country or is there one for all. Thanks for answering that. I take it even if another company is selling the product for me, it is still my responsibility to have it certificated for compliance? How much do you estimate an FCC certificate would cost for one product? I believe I might need one.

                                    Let's say I use a component that already passed the compliance test in one of my inventions, like a Broadcom bluetooth module, that already has the FCC certificate and went through the various tests. Because my device uses that bluetooth module, would I need to have my device tested as well, or because the bluetooth module already went through it, would I might not need to worry about the FCC?

                                    I wonder if there's a place that does testing for all the major countries, instead of having to go to multiple places for each different country.

                                    Thanks BudM!
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                                      Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                      You are responsible for your products, if it does not pass compliance for the country the middle man is trying to sell it, and if anything deadly went wrong you are responsible.
                                      You need to make plan as to what country you are trying to sell the products too so you compliance testing company will tell you if they can do it for the particular country or not. For example the products we already selling that has gone through TuV already but we could not sell in Korea so we had to ask TuV to perform the test per Korean requirement, same for the Chinese and Japan, extra pay for extra test.
                                      The Broadcom module may have FCC for the US, but it will need that for other country as well per country requirement, and the even though the model pass FCC, the whole product may not pass, the FCC test is done on the unit as the whole, we have so many certificate for so many countries for our products with RF. It is like installing the breaker that pass UL but you did not use proper wire gauge or poor heat management so when UL test the product it can still fail UL test. You should budget out your compliance testing to see how much and how many products you have to sell to recover the compliance testing and the yearly certificate renewal and they will also get the random sample form the factory to test also to make sure there is nothing fishy going on with the products, I.E. parts substitute without notifying the UL or whom ever. We just paid 3K for them to update the report due to changing the AC outlet due to EOL of that model of the outlet.
                                      Last edited by budm; 05-25-2018, 02:50 PM.
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                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
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                                        Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                        For that testing though, I do NOT need to be a licensed electrical engineer, do I? If so, my business is over with. I cannot afford a licensed engineer, nor can I spend the time to become one. By the time I became one, my devices would be useless.

                                        Thank you for all this information. Is is something I thought about, but did not properly research yet and did not expect it to be so involved. This is definitely something I'm going to have to go over in more finer detail. I'll bookmark this page. If it costs more than what we plan on making, it wouldn't make sense to go that route.

                                        The good thing is though with the hardware I have, there a few options available, and if this one doesn't work out, not all is lost. We just try something different. I tried building the data center in such a way where we could use it for x, y, or z. We're trying x right now. If that fails, we'll maybe try y, or x^2, if you follow
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                                          Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

                                          Any one can make the device to pass compliance as long as you follow the requirement which basically need to have the knowledge to begin with. At my work place we bought lots of equipment to do pre-test to make sure it will pass the specific test per UL before giving the products to UL to be tested. UL does not care if you are licensed or not, just as long as the device will pass their test, they will you if it fails the test or not but they will not tell you how to fix it to make it pass the test.

                                          What kind of the device are you trying to make and sell and whom will be the customer base?
                                          You can study more here:
                                          https://www.ul.com/consumer-technology/en/
                                          https://industries.ul.com/segments/medical-devices
                                          Last edited by budm; 05-25-2018, 07:42 PM.
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                                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
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