Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Thank you and goodbye to the K6-2, the pentium 3, the Pentium 4 with Rambus, you were fun and fast at the time as there was no alternative and I now make a decent living because of you
Old computers are like classic cars, they still do their job but they aren't much of a match against something modern and a a bit of a liability.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by televizora View PostImport fees and shipping are expensive.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by dicky96 View PostHmmm - rather than bitch about it, start importing computers and undercut the local pricing. Problem solved.Last edited by televizora; 02-14-2021, 07:32 AM.
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Originally posted by televizora View PostI can say that I envy you for the fact that you can buy new branded laptop for a fraction of the price it would cost me here.
Business class laptops are at least 20-30% more expensive than in USA.
Lenovo ThinkPad T490s - price USA 895USD - From Amazon
Lenovo ThinkPad T490s - price here 1236USD!!!!!!!!!!!
The prices of new computers here are just outrageous.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
I had one guy say he never recieved the item (processor) because my mother who posted didn't send it signed for which i had asked her to do - but she felt so guilty she paid for it lol
I had one guy say a motherboard was faulty when he got it and I got him to send it back and well, actually, it actually was
But considering how much stuff I have sold, that isn't really relevant statistically. It's like any other form of retail business - if you open a shop someone is going to steal some things.
This could also be a regional or cultural thing? Maybe some races are more dishonest than others? I already learned years ago that the chances of something arriving at the buyers address are inversely proportional to how foreign there name sounds. So I always send signed for now.
Also I can't ever think of one occasion where there was a problem sent to buyers in Europe - just a few where they were sent to UK. Maybe in some other countries people are endemically dishonest?Last edited by dicky96; 02-14-2021, 04:35 AM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View Postbut this rust thing is bad.
And I am sure that you pay for many other things. Paying a few bucks for at least somewhat capable system is win-win.Last edited by televizora; 02-13-2021, 01:54 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View PosteBay has gotten a lot of people trying to abuse the system, plus these things don't move very fast either... Ugh
The only problem I have with ebay is that shipping stuff out of here individually is too expensive (about €25/$30 per item under 2Kg) so I have to send it all in bulk to either UK or Holland (50-100Kg is about €75/$90) and list it on ebay there. But as vintage second hand computer hardware can be very profitable this really isn't a big issue.
Oh actually no that isn't the only problem I have with ebay - I have another two big problems with ebay.
1: They have this thing called GSP or Global Shipping Program but I am obviously not living on the globe as it doesn't ship to here would you believe!
And 2: I need ebay sellers who are VAT registered to send goods to me VAT free as I don't have to pay VAT here - but there is no way for ebay sellers to ship tax free to countries where that applies, because they can't list so that the VAT free price appears in territories where that applies. Even for locations that are not even on the globe, I'm still expected to pay 20%VAT / 21% IVA that the seller can't legally charge me. This means I can't buy from most of them and have to go directly to shop/business sites instead.
However these are buying issues. I never had any significant problems selling hardware on ebay, nor got abused for doing so. So what's the big issue?Last edited by dicky96; 02-13-2021, 01:16 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by televizora View PostBase OS do not require SSE2, but browsers do require it. SSE2 is not a new thing. Even Win7 supported until recently processors without SSE2. SSE2 instruction set is more than 15 years old. Why are you required to use even SSE1? Why not use vacuum tube computational machines? Or you will complain that you cant run the newest browser on ibm system 360 as well? My laptop is still quite capable. For the rest I acquired a workstation. I don't like to wait.Last edited by eccerr0r; 02-13-2021, 12:04 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View PostBut if I'm forced to run SSE2 instructions for the base OS, that's not acceptable. So what's your point? Always overkill for no good reason? Why don't you just go buy that $EXPENSIVE$LAPTOP$ then?Last edited by televizora; 02-13-2021, 11:00 AM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
20MB/sec is perfectly fine for me which I've gotten well past this from these machines in the past. But if I'm forced to run SSE2 instructions for the base OS, that's not acceptable.
So what's your point? Always overkill for no good reason? Why don't you just go buy that $EXPENSIVE$LAPTOP$ then?
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View PostAnyway main use for the computer is to check on some local well trimmed textual webpages and deal with moving data back and forth (backups) - these are well suited for older machines - and then shut off when done. Do I need an i9 for this? No. Do I want one? Sure why not. Is it free? No? Then nevermind...
Nonetheless, you can install IDE SSD on Pentium III machine and you will see a huge difference. It is not the processor responsible for the sluggishness of the older machines, lack of RAM and slow old hard drive slows them down even more. But because finding 256 or 512MB SDRAM sticks and IDE SSD is as expensive as replacing the machine, better buy something newer. Yesterday I was creating answer files for SYSPREP and needed to install Win7 AIK and etc, for example. I use my machine to complete some work tasks, if I have some inspiration at home.
Even using WinRAR or 7zip to compress/decompress stuff is much faster.
It is interesting that even the recent hard drives rarely have speeds that exceed the speed of IDE-PATA 133. But while even the IDE interface of the Pentium3 machines had the bandwidth, the drives of the time were barely able to give you sequential read/write speeds of 30-40MB/sec.
I had Pentium 3 machine around 2008 year. 1Ghz PentiumIII Coppermine machine, upgradable to Tualatin 1.2Ghz.
1.2Ghz Tualatins were faster than first Pentium IV-s because of the shorter pipeline, if I recall correctly.
When I maxed out the ram - 512MB and installed fast Maxtor drive, the machine was not that bad. Opera 11-12 was working just fine. The main problem was with Flash videos. But after the support for these CPU-s was cut off and the pages became so JS intensive, that even opening a GMAIL lead to 100% CPU utilization of even PentiumIV 3Ghz machines, the machine became no longer in any active use. I even tried overclocking Celeron, based on PentiumII architecture to make it play xVid and dvix videos. Worked, but was unstable with the VIA chipset mobo.
When the internet started gravitating around Google's inventions, the things became bad. Also, many devs promised that HTML5 video would work better and will be less resource intensive, but what happened was the opposite. It is even more demanding than Flash on older machines.
I liked the old version of the Google search page much more. I fail to see how they could have made a page with a logo, 2 buttons, 1 menu and text field for searching stuff so much heavier and resource intensive in the last 10 years. Not only this, but I used translator, gmail and etc, and now they are hidden behind a button and then drop down slider menu, which makes getting to the translator by using the menu complete nightmare. They also completely screwed up the Gmail with all this wild JS running around. And honestly, there is no need for most of it at all. But, again they have to try to track you. And I counteract with Adblock and NoScript with appropriate filters. I also killed the nag screen, which forces you to login, when you want to play some Youtube video. Because if you don't login, according to EU legislature, they cant just you cookies and trackers so easily. But if you do, then you agree automatically with all the points of their TOS and EULA for registered users.
p.s The Maxtor drive heated up to the even to 60C, but it was fast for 20GB drive - about 60-70MB/sec sequential read. This is what all old machines deserve - hard drive with decent speed. It was also branded machine with Delta electronics PSU.
Damn, I learned how to install WindowsXp from non booatable CD, using a set of 3.5 inch floppy disks on this machine. No CD Burner. The problem was fixed with 25$ LG DVD-RW drive. I thought to equip it even with TV tuner, when analog tv was still available here.
Computers back then were still expensive here and it was difficult to buy a new or even used, but decent machine.Last edited by televizora; 02-13-2021, 08:01 AM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Indeed these are home machines and well trimmed initialization routines speed up boot time significantly, and not used until needed anyway... Anyway main use for the computer is to check on some local well trimmed textual webpages and deal with moving data back and forth (backups) - these are well suited for older machines - and then shut off when done. Do I need an i9 for this? No. Do I want one? Sure why not. Is it free? No? Then nevermind...
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View PostThese machines are not investments, they are liabilities - either keep using them or spend more to dump them.
While the hardware itself isn't going to gain value (in most cases), if you put value on your time a newer/faster system can pay for itself quickly.
For example when my company first started issuing laptops with SSDs they ran the numbers and found that the increased cost (this was 2013 so the price difference was several hundred dollars over a standard HDD back then) was offset by increased productivity (i.e. not paying people to sit and wait for stuff to load) in just a few months so it made sense to pay more for the systems with SSDs. Granted a work machine where you can easily get a per hour cost of wasted time is different than a home machine where there isn't a specific monetary value to time (unless you're doing paid work on your machine), but just about all of us can think of things we'd rather do than waiting for stuff to load.Last edited by dmill89; 02-12-2021, 06:45 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
These machines are not investments, they are liabilities - either keep using them or spend more to dump them. Besides when you know the machine's primary use case, optimize for that case - there's no need to spend more. Webpages won't take 5 minutes to load because again, that's not the primary use case. As long as it's tolerable loading BCN that's perfectly fine!
When the board does finally fail, the "newer" computers will become even cheaper by then, too!
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View PostAnd again, where can I get one without paying $0.01, and I offer the old machine in exchange!
Personally, I prefer laptops. I really hate replacing a laptop I like. Not to mention that newer have touchpads without buttons, you press and bend the touchpad itself so you can "press" the left or right button. Newer ones have limited expansion ports and slots too. And etc. But if something becomes too slow to perform the tasks I require it to perform, I replace it. That's why I upgraded from HDD to SSD and also think about changing the display with higher resolution one.
My laptop is equipped with Core i5, 4GB RAM and SSD and I intend to add 4 more gigs exactly because 4GB are starting to become insufficient these days.
I am not Bill Gates or Donald Trump. I just don't want to punish myself and when the things are slow, I become irritated.Last edited by televizora; 02-12-2021, 05:02 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Who said I wanted to run FHD?
And again, where can I get one without paying $0.01, and I offer the old machine in exchange!
Heck I'll up(or down?) the ante: same specs fine (same HDD, same memory) - as long as it will execute SSE2 instructions, and also it's PERFECTLY FINE to be a bit slower than the P3/AMD too! Just has to cost me nothing after trade!Last edited by eccerr0r; 02-12-2021, 04:39 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by eccerr0r View Postit's not the USA's fault for it being cheaper.Last edited by televizora; 02-12-2021, 03:27 PM.
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Re: <taps> So long, Pentium III, Athlon XP, and older...
Originally posted by televizora View PostBecause if I was in USA, I could have bought electronics much cheaper. From computers and laptops to oscilloscopes and etc. You envy me for the fact that I can get much cheaper a 7 years old computer. But it is the new stuff that is much cheaper in USA. We are a much smaller market and we do not benefit from volume discounts, from which you in USA benefit.
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