Canless cap

[arneson]

When the plug pops out the bottom there it is, the foil, paper and brown juice.
The diameter of the can next to the guts is about 20% larger and the shot of the leads is just for anyone curious about how they attach.

I had to burn in that last cap.

[PeteS in CA]

Re: Canless cap

Well, I had intended to start a thread about this in the FAQ forum, but Jim beat me to it. One of the things I do from time to time is to "unwrap" lytics - brand new, to see how well they are made, and some I've blown up to see if the failure is due to some weakness.

Lytic Caps Unwrapped

What's inside an electrolytic capacitor? In principle, a capacitor is two metal plates or pieces of foil, with a insulator (dielectric) between them. While this is, in principle, true of an electrolytic capacitor, there's more than meets the eye. Literally and metaphorically, I'm going to take an electrolytic capacitor apart, and describe what is found.

The electrolytic capacitors I work with are larger than those usually used on PC MBs. The latter are typically 8mm, 10mm, and 12.5 mm in diameter, while the ones I work with are usually 16mm or 18mm in diameter (though I have taken apart a 12.5mm part using the technique I'm about to describe). First, I use an Exacto knife and needle-nose pliers to slit and peel off the outer polyester sleeve. Then I slip one of the points of a pair of diagonal cutters between the rubber plug on the bottom and the lip of the can, prying up the lip and doing that all the way around the can. Using the diagonal cutters again, I make two or three cuts (~1/16 of an inch) into the lip of the can. This allows me to use the needle-nose pliers to peel down the can at each cut, tearing the can open down past the rubber plug, so that the plug is no longer retained by the can. Now the capacitor element can be removed from the can. While the core will definitely be wet or moist, there won't be a lot of liquid. Holding the lead wires between the index finger of one hand, I very firmly push the rubber plug toward the ends of the leads, and when it comes loose (some effort is needed, especially with Nichicon products), I slide the plug off the leads. In a 16mm height part I unwrapped recently, the height of the rubber plug was about one third of the height of the can. The capacitor core is two strips of aluminum foil (with leads swaged onto the foil) and two strips of paper in alternating layers, rolled up like a jelly roll. The paper retains and diffuses the electrolyte through all the layers of the jelly roll. Tape is used to keep the jelly roll from unwinding. Removing that tape allows unwinding the layers of foil and paper. Being both wet and very thin, the paper is very flimsy.

So, you have the two strips of foil for the plates of the capacitor, or so one might think. What is the dielectric insulator? The paper? The liquid electrolyte? Neither. The paper is just for retaining and diffusing the electrolyte, and the electrolyte is very conductive. The dielectric is actually a thin film of aluminum oxide which is "formed" onto the anode foil. Technically, the cathode of the capacitor is the electrolyte, and the second strip of foil is used to make contact with the electrolyte. It's going to get stranger shortly. If you haven't mangled the two foil strips by now, you may find that one is slightly thicker than the other, and the surface is a very dull gray. That is the anode foil, and the dull finish is important. The other foil is thinner, and may be almost shiny. That is the cathode foil.

At least one question should have occurred to you. If the electrolyte "forms" aluminum oxide on the anode foil, why not on the cathode foil as well? The answer is that it does, but only a little. The anode foil has the oxide layer "formed" on it long before it goes into the capacitor, by a different electrolyte than what is in the finished capacitor. After the foil is "formed", it is slit into strips, wound with the paper and cathode foil, taped, placed into the can, and the electrolyte is added. The anode forming process is controlled to produce an oxide layer of known thickness and breakdown voltage. While the cathode does get "formed" some, once the capacitor is assembled, its oxide layer is very thin. What you have, then is two capacitors in series: the anode foil capacitor, which is slightly higher than the nominal capacitance of the finished part; the cathode foil capacitor, which is 10-100 times the capacitance (the oxide on the cathode foil is extremely thin) of the anode foil capacitor. When you have two capacitors in series, the formula for the net capacitance is 1/(1/C(C) + 1/C(A)). As you'll find out if you plug in sample numbers, with C(C) being > 10 x C(A), the result will be slightly lower than C(A).

What's with the dull appearance of the anode foils, and why is this important. Several factors determine the capacitance of a capacitor: the dialectric constant (an intrinsic characteristic of each dialectric material); the thickness of the dialectric; the area of the plates. The dialectric constant of aluminum oxide is very high and it is relatively thin, so aluminum electrolytics have high capacitance. But manufacturers go a step further. The effective surface area of the anode foil is increased by etching pits into the foil. Since the dielectric is formed chemically, it conforms to all the hills and valleys of the surface. The etching is controlled so that the spacing and depth of the pits are dependent on the capacitor rated voltage - getting maximum surface area without the dielectric filling in the pits.

[arneson]

Re: Canless cap

Man o man you are a genious, and so's Topcat for getting his server running.
May I add something in a cap page I read about the winding of the above mentioned
foils and paper sandwich.
The tensioning or stretch as the device is rolled must be precisely monitored.
What surprised me and I mentioned it above is how much space there is in the cap enclosure. Expansion? do caps breath? heat dissapation?

[arneson]

Re: Canless cap

Recapping the soyo board I mistakenly put a taller cap in the way of a slot.
replaced it again and decided to pop open this new 1500mf rubycon cap.
It was very tight inside it's can, had terminals riveted all the way up the foil and smelled slightly like amonia.
So I tore into some of the bad ones to compare.
These were all Wendell.
They spit at me as I cut them open, literally releasing built up hydrogen gas.
Ones with open X vent had already spit.
The insulating layers were actually cooked to different degrees, each from the top and bottom edges.
The terminals were only rivetted 3 quarters of the way up foil.
Heavy bad smell.
FYI

[willawake]

Re: Canless cap

it really came home to me when i was removing OST RLX from a board. solder had hardly got hot enough to remove them before they started fizzing. never seen that before.

anyway teapo are pretty ugly also inside.

[arneson]

Re: Canless cap

I wanted to see the pits in the foil but do not have tunnelling electron microscope.
I do have a microscope in a USB port at 200X and got a couple pictures.
First two are at 60X second two are at 200X last one is Fungus.