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  • Relic
    New Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 9

    #1

    Re-capped my board, partial success...

    Greetings all, new to these boards, but I've been lurking for a long time. Finally jumped in and replaced some bad caps on an old DFI board(G-Luxon) and got somewhat good results, except that I missed a bad cap in a different area of the board.

    Here are the caps I swapped out, the one is obviously blown, the other is the one that looks sunken in, by the time I changed it, it was bulging like the one in the foreground.



    I ordered my caps, the long way around, from digi-key. Cost me $3 a pop, plus an $18.50 shipping and handling charge on top of that, for 5 caps. With tax, almost $40 Canadian. I wasn't impressed, but hey, I wanted to fix the board(DFI CA-64 TN).

    Hunted for an iron with a grounded tip, looked at the Wellers, 25W and 40W, only 2 prong plugs on them, and the plugs weren't polarized. $40 for the 40W, and I had my doubts the tip was grounded. El-cheapo solder gun on the shelf: "Mega-Power", 100W, $14.99, with a polarized plug, I figure it may have a grounded tip. I bought it.

    Test time, I grab my multi-meter and start checking resistance: large prong to tip, switch on, infinity. Small prong to tip, switch on, infinity. Prong to prong, switch on, 0 ohms resistance. Short the prongs, go from prongs to tip, switch on, infinity. I figure it's safe to say the tip is grounded, what a scoop for $15.

    Desoldering was a piece of cake, the caps fell right out for me. Installing the new ones was just as easy, the holes were clean, I could see right through them. I gently tried inserting the leads on the new caps through the holes, but they wouldn't go. I applied some heat to the backside of the postive hole, lead slipped right in. Cool, did the same with the negative, same thing. Flipped the board, applied some flux and soldered the suckers home.

    Flipped the board back over and was sitting there admiring my handi-work, then noticed another blown cap. In the very bottom right of this pic, that cap is blown, dammit! I did not notice this when I ordered the other caps.



    Major problem here: this cap is 2200uf, 10V, the five I picked up are 2700uf, 6.3V. Or is that a major problem? Can I use a 2700uf/6.3V in place of a 2200uf/10V? I mean, the sucker is blown right now, will it hurt to have have a working cap on there of the wrong spec?

    FYI, I wanted to salvage this board for an unlocked 1.26ghz Tualatin, I have a matched pair off a server board. These chips will be going to my boys for their "school work" computers. I can score another DFI CA-64 TN for $80, but I want to know if it clocks well before I do splurg.

    Prior to cap replacement, this mobo wouldn't boot with the Tualatins at a 133mhz FSB. I had it running with an unlocked PIII 866 @915mhz, but that was the best I could get. Right now, I have this Tualatin running @1355. I know this chip does 166mhz on the FSB, 9.5 multiplier, and more, but I'm stone-walled here at 1.35. Could the other bad cap be holding me back? Obviously, it's not helping.

    I'm using this system right now, rock solid:



    So, what say you? Can I substitute a 2700uf/6.3v for a 2200uf/10v and get away with it? If not, where the hell can a guy in Barrie, Ontario, Canada, get one freakin cap for less than $30?

    Thanks guys, for all your help, this forum is was got me motivated, I was going to just sell these Tualatins on eBay, but this forum gave them a new life.
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  • Rainbow
    Badcaps Legend
    • Aug 2005
    • 1374

    #2
    Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

    If one of the caps fail, you should change all of the same type as they're all bad. If you don't, they will bulge later.
    I think you can safely replace that 2200uF/10V with 2700uF/6.3V. There is no voltage between 5V and 12V on boards so if the original cap is rated 10V, it must be on 5V line (or even less). And 500uF more will not hurt anything, it can only help.

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    • Relic
      New Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 9

      #3
      Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

      Originally posted by Rainbow
      If one of the caps fail, you should change all of the same type as they're all bad. If you don't, they will bulge later.
      I think you can safely replace that 2200uF/10V with 2700uF/6.3V. There is no voltage between 5V and 12V on boards so if the original cap is rated 10V, it must be on 5V line (or even less). And 500uF more will not hurt anything, it can only help.
      Yeah, after I got this system back together, I figured it was a dumb move not to replace the last one of the 2700's. At the same time, I knew I had to do something with the other bad cap, so I'm not going to beat myself up too much, although I have to be extra careful getting the last 2700uf out. I'll use a kid for a third pair of hands.

      Thanks for the heads-up on the 2200uf, I want to rock these Tualies a bit, they will do 1.8 stable, 1.5 will be fine for me.

      Thanks Rainbow, this will be my project for tomorrow, lookin for 1.5ghz.

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      • Rainbow
        Badcaps Legend
        • Aug 2005
        • 1374

        #4
        Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

        I like Tualatins - I have some Tualatin Celerons and also one PIII 1.2GHz (but only with 256KB cache).

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        • Topcat
          The Boss Stooge
          • Oct 2003
          • 16956
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          #5
          Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

          Looks like you still have a few to replace. Replace all 1000uF and up, or they will give you more headaches, its just a matter of time.

          BTW, to this day, I still love Tualatins. I have a pair of 1.4GHz Tually-S's in a server, and they scream! I wish Intel would have stuck to their original roadmap and produced them up to 1.7 as they originally planned.
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          • Relic
            New Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 9

            #6
            Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

            I have an old Celery 1100 that couldn't do more than 1257 on this board, I'll have to give that a spin again, just for kicks. Slower than the 866, but it works. Might make a keychain out of it. Nah, hate to ruin a working chip.

            I have old AMD and Intel 90's, a working K6, and a working Intel P60. Don't know why I hang onto this stuff, but I find it cool, kinda like having your own personal IT museum.

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            • Relic
              New Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 9

              #7
              Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

              Originally posted by Topcat
              Looks like you still have a few to replace. Replace all 1000uF and up, or they will give you more headaches, its just a matter of time.

              BTW, to this day, I still love Tualatins. I have a pair of 1.4GHz Tually-S's in a server, and they scream! I wish Intel would have stuck to their original roadmap and produced them up to 1.7 as they originally planned.
              Cool, I shall do that. If anyone in here has a cheaper source for caps in the Barrie/Toronto, Ontario, Canada area, I'd be very happy to be let in on it, this ordering from the US is a killer.

              Myself, I love these Tualies, they rock, when the kids are done with them, I'll scoop an old iWill board and fold with them. I've heard rumours of 1.7's out there, but I've yet to see one, just wishfull thinking no doubt. Too bad.

              On the otherhand, I do believe Intel is poised for a comeback, 65nm may be their "new" forte. Being an Intel fanboy, I sure hope so.

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              • Chris1992
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Apr 2005
                • 561

                #8
                Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

                I like both AMD and Intel, I had a socket A sys for 3 yrs before I killed the board in replacing a chipset HS. However, both my comps ATM are Intel P4 (2.8 and 1.7GHz). I like my 1.7GHz celery Willamette b/c it A) was a freebie and B) OC's to 2.1GHz stable. I'd recommend replacing EVERY cap on the board, not just the visibly failed ones. As for a source in Canada, maybe Mouser or Newark has better shipping policy. If Mouser, go eith Nichicon HE. If Newark, Chemicon KZE.
                The great capacitor showdown!

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                • Relic
                  New Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 9

                  #9
                  Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

                  Changed the other two caps, stick stuck at 1.35mhz. Probably my cheap Azenram(512mb) holding me back, I can't OC the RAM at all. Ah well, not a big issue, the board is rock solid/stable now, I can live with 1.35mhz. Hard to find 168 pin SDRAM nowadaze, some Corsair would be nice, one must dream, eh?

                  Thanks guys, for all your help, it is much appreciated. I'll be snagging another CA-64 TN for my other Tualie, hopefully, the caps won't be bad on it, but if they are, I now know how to solve the prob.

                  Once again, thanks guys, this forum, and the people in it, rock. Cheers.

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                  • Relic
                    New Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 9

                    #10
                    Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

                    Well, just an update, my board is still rock solid, this seems to have done the trick, very nice. Once again, thanks guys, props to you all.

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                    • OpelBlitz
                      Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 10

                      #11
                      Re: Re-capped my board, partial success...

                      Now there's two tually systems that are happy on this board!

                      Tually > P4. Well, I guess except for Northwoods.

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