Its not all doom and gloom on my front. I have a couple of people who keep an eye out for me and bring me TVs when they can. But also the larger retail outlets often bring back old TVs for disposal when they deliver the new biggies. I recently made an arrangement with one seller to contribute $5/10 to the coffee fund for any I take from the dump crate. First up I got this Vivo and hoped its panel was good as I had a brand new one with screen the owner had broken when trying to wall mount it. But no success with that as when I started up the TV from HN it worked perfectly !!! Win some lose some.